Season 2, Episode 2
DW: All right, welcome. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And it's very exciting to be bringing you this cosmic information, blowing the lid off of government cover-ups, conspiracies, and the lies that have been said for so long. I want the truth. I think you want the truth or else you wouldn't be here. And the truth can require a little flexibility in your belief system, because the more we get into this stuff, the more we find out that everything we think we know is nothing more than a fairytale, and the real world is far more interesting, far more complex, and far more wondrous than we could ever imagine.
And so, Corey, last time we were talking about the history of the space program. And in modern times, you said that starts with German occult groups.
DW: You said that there were two major intelligence civilizations that the Germans came into contact with that helped them perfect their bell craft that was an anti-gravity technology.
CG: Right. They were already well underway on their own. And these two other civilizations helped them develop it to a perfected point.
DW: And you said that one of these civilizations is called, or is called in the space program, the Draco.
DW: And the other ones are called the Agarthans. And they, you said, were underground in the Himalayas.
DW: When did these Agarthans live above ground?
CG: It's not fully known. It was tens and tens of thousands of years ago. They've been underground for many tens of thousands of years.
DW: Did something happen to the surface that they felt they had to flee, like a pole shift or something like that?
CG: Something-- it was a cataclysm that caused them to go underground. And cyclically in time, Earth has gone through several cataclysms, as modern archaeologists and geologists have shown.
DW: It starts to sound a lot like the Greek gods, where the Greek gods supposedly had blond hair or blue eyes and really didn't seem like very nice people. They were warring with each other. Zeus' thunderbolt, these depictions of weapons in "mythology," quote unquote, sound like a handheld technology of some kind. Do you think there might be a connection between the Greek gods and the Agarthans?
CG: Absolutely. They presented themselves to service to surface populations as though they were gods until we reached a certain sophistication level. And after that point, they started representing themselves as aliens or ETs. And I guess after we became sophisticated to a point to where we didn't believe that everything that happened was magical, we understood technology, they had to change their narrative from one of being gods to one of being extraterrestrials.
DW: You said that their underground civilization was a very advanced city.
CG: Well, a network.
DW: Oh, there's a network of cities.
DW: Do they have their own transportation system between their cities?
CG: I haven't been there. I don't know. But they call it the Agarthan Network.
DW: What would these cities look like if we were to see one? Did you ever see any images of them or videos of them?
CG: I never saw images or any information other than that they were extremely advanced and self-reliant.
DW: Have they had craft the whole time they've been underground so they could fly around?
CG: Yes. And they have a fleet that they call "The Silver Fleet."
DW: Let's get a little more into the Draco for a minute. I can't help but think you're saying that the smart glass pads told you they got here 375,000 years ago.
DW: Is there a connection between the Draco and what the Sumerians called the Annunaki?
CG: Some research shows that they were in contact and doing experiments on human beings a long, long time ago, going way back. This is separate from the human-type ETs that are in this super federation that have those 22 different programs. So this could be what Sitchin was talking about as the Annunaki. It was explained very much in detail to me that Annunaki was just a Sumerian term that to us today means ETs, those that from the heaven came, and that it referred to more than one group. But it seems pretty obvious that they're referring to some sort of Reptilian in those texts.
DW: Well, when you actually look at the Sumerian carvings, not only do you see these people who are at least twice as tall as the humans around them, you see Avians. There are Sumerian carvings of human-looking bodies with a bird head stuck on top, which is very interesting. So that would support what you're saying. Annunaki is more than one type of ET.
DW: Are you aware of there being other Avians out there besides the Blue Avians?
CG: Yes, there's several different types. Some of them are quite unfriendly.
CG: Quite unfriendly, yeah. But they are more of the 4D, four-density kind of technological level. They're technologically based. They're not higher density, what we would call etheric or spiritually based.
DW: When you see a creepy movie like "Eyes Wide Shut" or other depictions of cabal groups meeting where they wear these masks, it seems like a lot of the masks are Avian masks, meaning that the person is now a human but they have a bird-like head. Do you think those Avian masks might somehow be related to Avians having visited us in the past?
CG: Ancient Egyptians have depicted Avians like Thoth and Horus. And there's been talk of maybe, I think in the Law of One, that a six-density group came down and taught them certain information, and as soon as they left, the group distorted it and created a cult that became negative. And then they became associated with negativity.
DW: That's absolutely right. How right do you think Sitchin got? Do you think that the Draco spliced their genetics with our own to create the Adam or the primitive worker of the Adamu?
CG: I'm not certain if they were the group that did that. I know that there is-- and this is disturbing for a lot of people to think, but we have quite a few different races, genetics spliced in with ours. And there is a small amount of Reptilian DNA that's spliced into human DNA.
DW: The Draco, to your understanding though, have been here the whole time? They didn't go anywhere?
CG: There have been battles on Earth over Earth over some time. There have been times to where the Draco have been driven back and had remnants here. There's been times where the Draco came back and drove other people, other ETs, groups away. There's been a pretty wild history over hundreds of thousands of years on this planet.
DW: Yeah, you see in the Sumerian records the Lamia, which are the serpent people, you have the Hindu Nagas. There's a serpent temple where it's to the serpent gods. Then you have the step pyramids in Mesoamerica where you have these Draco heads on the bottom of the pyramid. Everybody thinks that's just a snake head. You think that these are examples of where Draco had gotten a foothold in Earth?
CG: It could be. There are other beings. There are a raptor kind of being that some people confuse with the Reptilians that are more bird-like in the way they move. And a lot of them have plumes of feathers down the back. They're kind of a mix between Reptilian and Avian bird.
DW: Do you think that pretty much almost anything we could imagine in terms of a humanoid-looking being is out there somewhere?
CG: Pretty much.
DW: So now let's bring this back. And you're opening up other subjects. And I'm not going to abandon those, but I want to stay on topic. Because there's so many ways we can go when we start talking about all this. The Draco may have this connection to the Annunaki, the Sumerian connection. You said they'd been driven away. They came back. These are nasty folks, right?
CG: Yeah, very much.
DW: The legends of like when people are supposedly being sacrificed at these step pyramids-- did they want that kind of tribute paid to them, like human sacrifice? Is that one of their things?
DW: So these are nasty guys. Why would anybody want to work with them?
CG: Well, they're pretty nasty theirselves.
DW: The German occult societies.
CG: And later on, other Western occult societies.
DW: OK, so why would anybody in Germany, or anywhere for that matter, want to work with a group that seems to be negative that is clearly more powerful than they are? What could they possibly gain out of something seemingly so stupid?
CG: Well, technology and also an alliance with the group that once they started going out into outer space, they started running into other groups. And there are other groups that are not so friendly. So they decided to ally theirselves with, I guess, the tough kid on the playground.
DW: What was the role of the Agarthans in the early development of how this transitions from them just having bell craft to actually starting to build a breakaway civilization?
CG: The Germans really took more to the Agarthans.
DW: They did?
CG: They looked more alike, the blond hair, the blue eyes. It kind of went along with the master race.
DW: Are the Agarthans about the same height as us?
CG: Yes, maybe a little taller but pretty much within the same height range.
DW: And what would they be seen as wearing?
CG: They would wear unitards. The Germans later on would wear the same uniforms and fly around and pretend to be ETs as well.
CG: Yeah and make contact with people in the '50s and say that we're ETs. We're here for the benefit of the planet Earth and make contact.
DW: Do you know whether the Germans made contact with the Agarthans first or the Draco first? Or was it both kind of in the same window of time?
CG: I believe it was with the Draco first. But they could have started as a slow connection with the Agarthans when they were doing a lot of their excavations in the East looking for ancient writings that had information that talked about Vimana and that kind of stuff.
DW: Did the Agarthans welcome the Germans down into their societies and give them the dog-and-pony show underground and show them all this sizzling, amazing stuff?
CG: It was more towards the end of the war that the Agarthans invited some of the Germans to come to the Agarthan network. They showed them the ancient ruins underneath the ice of Antarctica.
DW: What ancient ruins?
CG: There were some ancient ruins underneath the ice of Antarctica.
DW: For those who are not familiar with this, most people would think that Antarctica has just always been a glacier. So how could you build under a glacier?
CG: No, there are a lot of ancient ruins that are completely crushed by glaciers. There's a lot of underground cities and networks underneath. And there's also a lot that's preserved by-- there's a lot of thermal activity that people don't realize, like volcanism. It's in ice, but it looks almost like lava tubes, huge areas of domed ice. And underneath, there are cities.
DW: And the temperature from the volcanic activity keeps it warm enough that you can live their comfortably?
DW: Well, that's sort of like the Eskimos building an igloo, right? It's really cold outside. I did that in Boy Scouts. You build a snow fort. It's called a lean-to. You dig into a snow bank on the side of a tree, your breath immediately starts to melt the snow. It turns into ice, and even though you're surrounded by ice, you're like very warm and comfortable in there.
CG: Yeah, the stored-up thermal energy in the ground comes up.
DW: So just to clarify, though, are you saying that some kind of Earth crustal displacement or actual physical movement of the Earth's rotational axis took place so that what we now think of as Antarctica at one time was a habitable land?
CG: It was more like Australia more than likely.
DW: Really? And you're saying that there was some settlement on that land before whatever this event was that took place?
CG: Right, there was an ancient civilization there.
DW: Is this the Atlantean flood, the 13,000-years-old catastrophe, as far as you know?
CG: This is much older.
DW: It's much older than that.
DW: Really? Do you know what the time frame was?
CG: No. I know that people at first thought that this was the Agarthans' original home. But the information that I read was that it was much too old to have been their home.
CG: So I don't know. It's been a long time since I read it. So I don't know the age differences that made it impossible for it to have been their original home. But they were obviously aware of its existence.
DW: Well, I'm hearing the bleeding of some sacred cows being slaughtered here.
DW: Is this ancient builder race? Is it that kind of old, like millions of years old?
DW: Oh, so something in between.
DW: What did the Germans see? First of all, had anybody been to Antarctica before this? Was this like the first time in modern times with modern humans? I guess there have been a few-- there was Cook, right, who went there or something?
CG: Yeah, I think there have been a few expeditions there. But this main city, there were three occupied cities under the ice. Two were--
DW: In Antarctica.
CG: In Antarctica.
DW: When the Germans got there, they were already occupied?
CG: Well, one was somewhat in disarray. But it was perfect for their U-boats to come up under the ice and come up in a cavern area.
DW: The U-boat is a submarine?
CG: Submarine. And it was perfect for them to build out from there. But there were two other cities further inland that were already occupied by other groups. I don't know who these other groups were. But they ended up being allied with these Germans.
DW: Really? So did the Agarthans tell them where to sail? The Agarthans already had identified this?
DW: Why would the Agarthans need the Germans to develop something when they have this vast Agarthan network of all these underground cities already?
CG: Well, they invited some of the Germans to come into their Agarthan network. But they assisted with the treaty they had. They assisted the Germans in locating areas in Antarctica and in the east part of South America to create underground bases and also above-ground cities that were almost entirely German.
DW: So would this sort of be like a signing bonus that the Germans get, like some of the things that the Agarthans knew about but they didn't like that much, maybe their less hospitable areas, and the Agarthans just sort of gave it to them as a carrot?
CG: I think it was just a part of their treaty.
DW: Right. The Agarthans hadn't developed out these places before? They were largely abandoned, like the one place in Antarctica you're talking about?
CG: Yeah, the Germans developed them out.
DW: And you said that when the Germans got there, it was in disarray. So just talk us through. The U-boat goes under the ice. It pops up. You say it's warm in there because of volcanism. It's like a dome.
What do they see when it pops up? Is there grass? Do you actually have a biome? Do you have some life forms? Or is it all just really icy and cold?
CG: I'm not exactly sure about all the fine details, but I know there were a lot of structures that were abandoned. Some were damaged. And it was just in disarray. And there was already an underground complex that they could reoccupy and refurbish and set up.
DW: Structures could be just about anything. Are we dealing with like ancient builder race type stuff, like pyramids?
CG: Not that old, no.
DW: What would these structures look like if we were going to see them now?
CG: I don't know. I have not seen images of them. I just saw text.
DW: How advanced was this technology? Are we dealing with like pueblos?
CG: It was advanced building structure. But there was not advanced technology there. It apparently had been picked over.
DW: When you say advanced building structure, you mean superior to what we have now with like Manhattan skyline and skyscrapers?
CG: Well, superior to what they had then, at least, in the reports that were written up during that time period.
DW: How much of a detachment of personnel did the Germans get down there to explore this? First of all, I guess do you know how big it was, how many square miles?
CG: No. They had a fairly large detachment-- I don't know how large-- of people in Antarctica and in Argentina, Brazil, all spread out in South America, that word resupply the Antarctic base. They had infrastructure and a network that they set up down that they put quite a bit of effort into setting up.
DW: Did they largely use submarines to get to this Antarctic base so they could avoid detection from the air?
CG: Well, it had to be reached from submarine or from their highly advanced aircraft.
DW: OK. The Agarthans, you said, also directed them toward South America. Is this ancient builder race type stuff? Or were they just settling in the jungle and building up their own little place in the jungle?
CG: In the jungle and in caverns.
DW: Caverns from the ancient builder race?
CG: Not ancient builder race, just caverns that they built up themselves with their own infrastructure.
DW: So nothing ancient or interesting about it.
CG: Right. That was completely building up with their own resources.
DW: OK, so did the Antarctica come before they ever left the planet to go anywhere else to start building anywhere else?
CG: Well, they were already starting to leave the planet. But that came as it was becoming obvious that the Axis powers were going to lose the war.
DW: The Antarctica came?
DW: So they needed like a place to hide, and that was their best bet?
CG: Right. So they started building that out years in advance. They knew that the war was going to go badly years in advance.
DW: So with a combination of technological endowments from the Draco and the Agartha, the Germans perfected their bell craft. Because you said they're not really Nazis, right? It was the German occult societies.
CG: And the bell was not a craft. It was more of just like an engine.
DW: Oh. That's the shape of the engine is the bell.
CG: Right. People couldn't get inside the bell. Yeah, but sorry, go ahead.
DW: Where did they go first? And what did they find that was interesting?
CG: First, they went to the moon. And they had a couple failed attempts at building a base. Finally they found--
DW: Wait a minute. How much of a fleet of these bell craft did they have?
CG: Quite a few.
CG: No, no, probably less than 100 in the beginning.
DW: Were any of them large enough to carry a decent amount of cargo with them?
CG: Yeah, they had several different sizes. I think there were three different sizes.
DW: What would the largest size be?
CG: I think 90 feet across, I think.
DW: So you could hold a pretty good amount of stuff in there.
CG: Not a whole lot with the amount of room that they had in the area. But in the 90-feet ones, it was a lot more than you could include in the ones that were like 24 feet or something. I can't remember the exact dimensions.
DW: Now you said before that the Super Federation folks who have been running 22 programs to tweak our DNA and mix their genetics with our own, that there's a huge settlement on the dark side of the moon where everybody has their own diplomatic region and boundaries and all this.
CG: Yeah, multiple settlements.
DW: So why wouldn't those folks just want to blow up the Germans if they're showing up and trying to find territory on the moon themselves?
CG: Because the Germans built in a diplomatic area of some allies they've made.
DW: Really? Would that be the Draco?
CG: I believe it was most likely the Draco.
DW: So it was because of some sort of complex treaty that the Germans were able to do anything at all?
DW: You mentioned these Agarthans working with the German occult societies I guess in the 1930s and on into the 1940s. Are these Agarthans still here today?
CG: Yes, very much so. They presented themselves as ETs to the secret space program, and the secret space program figured out that they were not what they claimed round the late '70s, '80s time period. I think it was maybe in the '70s. And they pretty much stopped pretending they were ETs to the space program, because the jig was up. But they're still presenting themselves as ETs to a lot of people on the surface of the planet.
DW: Do they have a seat in this Super Federation Council? Are they one of those--
DW: Oh, they're totally different?
CG: Right, there's a different group that is very similar to the way this group looks. But they are indeed very much taller. They don't look like our average size. But they have a little bit larger foreheads but do look very much like the Nordic kind of look.
DW: What's their height?
CG: Around the 10-foot, 9-foot range.
CG: So there's a difference.
DW: Do the Agarthans meet with other intelligent civilizations? Or do they pretty much keep to themselves? What's their role in today's extraterrestrial geopolitics?
CG: They have alliances with other ancient breakaway civilizations. We're not the only one. And they have alliances with ET groups.
DW: Well, we're just getting the surface scratched here. Obviously this question of the development of the space program is going to take more than two episodes to complete. But as long as it's interesting, which it certainly is, I'm happy to keep this thread going. So we've talked about a lot of fearful stuff. And could you just again help reassure people who might not have seen other episodes? Do we need to worry about these Germans or these Agarthans or these Draco? Are we just like filet mignon waiting for them to come pick us up?
CG: No, the damage is already done that they were going to do. There has been a new group that's moved into the solar system, and they are pretty much neutralizing any of their attempts to start any large-scale problems. And any type of fearful stuff you see on the news, I would disregard. There's more of a positive future ahead of us if the secret space program alliance and the sphere alliance has their way.
DW: We don't want fear, right? This is what these negative groups have been trying to do is generate fear.
DW: And it turns out that there's now very effective countermeasures to stop them from being able to achieve their goals.
CG: That's right.
DW: Excellent. Well, Corey, I want to thank you for being here. As always, I want to thank you for watching. I'm just trying to get my head screwed back on. This is really wild stuff. And we'll be back next time with more of the history of the secret space program, more about the development of colonies on the moon, colonies on Mars. So stay tuned.