Season 4, Episode 3
David Wilcock: Okay, welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock and I'm here with Corey Goode. And in this episode, we're going to get into some of the very interesting controversial material that has come up consistently in the feedback that you've given us in the discussion forums here on the Gaia website. And that is specifically this very bizarre notion of the elasticity of time and how it relates to age regression. So Corey, welcome back.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: So one of the things that people have stumbled over when they first look at your website is that you explain that you had a 20-year service record in the Space Program beginning In 1987, which would then lead them to believe that you would have been working until 2007, and at that time you came back to Earth.
But then the timeline doesn't seem to line up based on the other things that you said you did and when you said you did them.
David: So are we dealing with a technology that is more advanced than people are aware of in the conventional world?
Corey: Oh, absolutely. Ha. I mean, all of the technology that we're talking about in the Secret Space Program is far more advanced than most of them can imagine. The 20 and Back Program is a program that thousands of people have partaken in. And some of them have been people in the military . . .
David: What does 20 and Back mean, exactly?
Corey: You serve 20 years and come back to the original point in time you left. And there's plenty of people in the military that do this as well. They'll think they served their normal four or eight years in the military, when they volunteered and served in one of these above top secret programs for 20 years and were brought back to the point they agreed to do the program and then served out the rest of their agreement with whichever branch of the service they were in.
David: So what do you say to the person who believes that the technology that they can see in Internet searches represents the farthest that humanity has ever gone? How do you answer that person who just can't believe that there's anything more advanced than what they are aware of now?
Corey: They just have to look back at history. There's been so many times that we've been pretty sure that we knew everything, and then the government released information or a new technology, new space or aircraft, or a whistleblower comes forward like Snowden and releases information that people had talked about before and no one believed.
So if you think that everything that exists is on the Internet and all you've got to do is Google and find it, then you're living under a pretty large misconception.
David: Sure. Absolutely. Why would someone in the government want to keep the knowledge of a time travel-type technology secret? What's the reason for why they wouldn't just come out in the open and tell us that this is out there?
Corey: You can't talk about one advanced technology without revealing all the other advanced technologies. Well, that's letting the genie out of the bottle. And the major genie that they've been trying to keep in the bottle is not 'Yes, there are ETs', is 'Yes, there is free energy'. And free energy alone will collapse the global economy overnight – free energy devices.
David: Or maybe transform it. It would collapse the existing infrastructure or power structure.
Corey: Right. It would collapse their economic system, their Babylonian money-magic-control system overnight.
David: So let's just deal with some of the basics, and then we'll get a little more detailed and technical. And I remember when I first started talking to you about this, it really tripped me out, and I had a lot of questions to ask. So here's the first question: You go out for 20 years. They time travel you back to the point that you left. You return 20 years older than what you were when you left? Your body is 20 years older?
Corey: No. Your body . . . You're age regressed and time regressed.
David: Before that. Like let's say you're out in space, and you do your 20 years, and then they fly you back to the . . . Is it like the same room that you were in when it starts? They actually put you back in the exact same room?
Corey: They take you back to . . . Yes, you're taken back to the same point.
David: Okay. At first, when you return to that room, are you going to look 20 years older than you were when you left just a few minutes before?
Corey: No. No. When you're at the point to where they're delivering you back to your point of origin, you've already gone through the entire process of being age regressed, debriefed, blank slated, had a screen memory added if necessary, and then time regressed back to the point. And then they usually give you . . . The largest number of people have screen memories of portaling in and out of their bedrooms. And that was one of the screen memories that they had given me. But what they had done is used a technology to tell me to leave my house, and they picked me up in a van. So a lot of people still have that screen memory of thinking that a light opened up in their room, and they were portaled out of their room.
David: We discussed Voice of God technology. Is that the technology that would be used to get somebody to leave their house to go get picked up in the van, in this case?
Corey: Right. Right.
David: Okay. Okay, so you're saying that before you get returned to the room that you left from, you've already been through some sort of age regression procedure.
David: Let's just talk for a moment about what's happening there. So you're saying . . . Let's just walk through a hypothetical 20-year term of service. Did you only do one thing in your 20-year term of service in the Space Program?
Corey: No, I worked on several programs. I was transferred around to work on several programs during the . . . It was just a little over 20 years. And at the end of that 20 years, I was told, “You're time's up. It's time to go back home.” Then they took . . . In my case, I was taken back to the LOC . . .
David: Wait a minute. Is it normal for people to have different transfers and not just all have the same job for the 20 years?
Corey: Yeah. Usually they work different . . . It's just like if you are in the service, you're going to be transferred around. You're going to develop skill sets. Their skill sets are going to evolve. And you're not usually going to be assigned the same duty on the same vessel for the entire time.
David: That makes sense, because otherwise people would get tired, burned out. So changing things up keeps it interesting.
Corey: Right. Things get boring and it's not as exciting as people think. It gets boring a lot, anyway.
David: Okay. So now you're saying that eventually they came to you and said that it was time to go back.
David: What was the last job that you had? What was your last assignment prior to them saying that?
Corey: It was one of the darker assignments that they had me working on that I don't like talking about very much.
David: Okay. So by that point you're probably quite happy to be getting a reprieve from it.
David: Were you counting the years? Were you well aware of the 20 years and looking forward to it?
David: Do people ask to get discharged early? Do they want to get out and see if there's a way they can get out?
Corey: That's not an option.
David: It's not an option. So people know not to even bother to ask.
Corey: Right. And if people were released for different reasons, I don't know about it.
David: If you tried to ask, if you say, “I really don't want to do this anymore,” what's going to happen?
Corey: You were to follow orders. I never saw anyone that defied orders. It was very rigid, regimental situation to where you were seeing things done to other people that were unpleasant. You wanted to be not on the receiving side of unpleasant things. So you didn't rock the boat, so to speak. You just did what you were told.
David: But you said that it was a little more than 20 years before they told you your time was up. So was there . . .
Corey: Just barely.
David: Was there a period of time where you were like, “Oh, my god, it's been 20 years, and now they're not letting me go yet?”
Corey: No. There was a little delay before I started. I knew all about it ahead of time.
David: Oh, okay.
Corey: There was a little delay before I was assigned to the research vessel that they had me doing some other things.
David: So people have had trouble understanding what this age regression is. So let's walk through it now. They tell you you're done. You feel incredible relief. And what is the process? What is your discharge process? Let's just walk through that.
Corey: You sign papers.
David: First of all, can you tell us where you were? You were out in space somewhere, right?
Corey: Right. Well, they take you to the LOC – Lunar Operation Command – and you sign papers that you will not talk about anything, non-disclosures.
Corey: You sign a bunch of papers. Then you go through a debrief that is an enhanced debrief to where they put you in an altered state and then debrief you over your entire service.
David: Is that some way that they're pulling information out of you almost like a computer hard drive, where they're hacking your thoughts? Or is this more of them getting you to verbally disclose your whole career history?
Corey: You're verbally disclosing and confirming information they already know while you're also hooked up to electronics that are monitoring and recording telemetry.
David: What's the telemetry that they're getting? Why would they need to do that?
Corey: I don't know.
David: Is it like lie detecting?
Corey: I don't know. It was for their use.
David: Okay, so you kind of do a life review, and how extensive does it have to be? Do you have to talk through year by year, experience by experience, or just highlights?
Corey: It was fairly detailed unless they saw something they wanted to focus on and talk about. It was at the discretion of the person doing the debrief.
David: In your own case, was there anything that they felt the need to focus on and spend more time talking about?
David: Stuff that you don't want to tell us?
David: Okay. So you go through this debrief process. How long does it take? In psychological time, how long did it feel like it took?
Corey: The debrief . . . They were also doing blood tests, doing different things like that. It was probably two or three days spent at the LOC throughout the debrief and waiting process. There were other people going through it as well.
David: Were you in the same room each time? Was it all in one room while you were actually going through the debriefing?
Corey: The debriefing happened in one room, yes.
Corey: But there were other people going through the same process at the same time you were.
David: In the room with you?
David: So you had a private room.
Corey: Let's say there were 100 people that their time was up as well.
Corey: We were all there as a group, and one at a time we were all going through the process of rotating through being debriefed, going through getting shots, blood samples, that kind of thing, going through the process.
David: So when you say the whole process was two or three days, that includes the social time talking to these 100 people while they're going through it one at a time?
David: And then the others are all hanging out?
Corey: Right. We were all kept on the base for that time period, and we were instructed not to talk to each other about logistical stuff. And when you're doing debriefs, you're not supposed to cross-pollinate or talk about . . .
David: How do you make conversation and small talk with somebody . . . you spend 20 years in space?
Corey: You get very good at it. You get very good at small talk.
David: Well, what would you talk about? Like stuff from before you went into space, like cultural stuff from when you were still on Earth?
Corey: No. You could talk about small talk stuff that happened in your daily life out there, but not operational information.
David: Nothing specific about your mission or what you were doing?
David: Were you in a private room at this point, or did you have to bunk with other people when you were sleeping?
Corey: In the LOC at one point, I was in a room with four people, but most of the time I was by myself.
David: What would this room look like? How big was it? Did it have any furniture?
Corey: Well, just four bunks. Four bunks. All the rooms were real small.
Corey: It's not like apartments or anything like that.
David: Any decor or anything that made it look nice? Or was it just very spartan?
Corey: No. Just four bunks, one above the other, real small, just big enough to get in, walk past each other sideways.
David: And you said it's not like “Star Trek: The Next Generation”. It's conventional-looking doors, conventional rooms, conventional hallways.
David: No windows, I assume.
David: Okay. So then you go through this debrief, and what happens next? What's the next part of the discharge?
Corey: The next part . . . They take you down to the lower floors where all the medical is, where they have a huge science and medical area to where they can repair injuries and just do all kinds of things. And they take you to the area to where they do the age regression.
David: After they've cleaned up your injuries or healed a bad knee or things like that?
Corey: No. They don't . . . No, that's . . . They don't do any of that.
David: But you had mentioned that they can do that.
Corey: Yes. That's where it's done.
David: But they're not doing that for you as part of the discharge?
Corey: Well, it's not needed because you're about to be regressed, age regressed, to where you were.
Corey: Any scars you have, any tattoos you have, are gone.
David: Okay. Let's walk through this step by step. Do you go into a separate room? Is there like an age regression room?
David: Okay. And so let's see what that looks like now. So you say it's a lower floor. You go in there, and is there a large area where you see all these different medical things happening? Are there like hallways with doors and rooms?
Corey: It's like your typical pre-op room. You go into . . . Like if you go into a hospital.
Corey: You go in. You're sitting in a gurney. They come in. They talk to you, put you at ease. They tell you what's going to happen, that they're going to put you under anesthesia, that you're going to have to be kept totally static and in an induced coma for, I believe it was, nearly a two-week period.
David: My goodness.
Corey: And while you went through the process of them age regressing your body.
David: So you're in a private room now with a door that's closed?
Corey: No, this is like with the curtains.
David: Oh, wow! So there could be others from that group of 100 . . .
David: . . . that you're going to actually be only separated by curtains in this larger operating room-type looking area.
David: So there's like heart monitors and beeping machines and technology like that around?
Corey: No, they don't have to hook you up to that. Your telemetry's read remotely without having to touch you.
David: When you say you're on a gurney, it just looks like a hospital bed? It's not like some cool-looking tube or anything they stick you in?
Corey: No, it's just a hospital bed. Just a regular gurney.
David: But they say they're going to immobilize you?
David: And did they give you a reason for why? Like, what happens if you're not immobilized?
Corey: They say that you have to be kept totally immobile during the process. You can't have any twitching or any moving throughout the entire process for it to happen.
David: Wouldn't your whole body go into atrophy if that happens?
David: Wow! Okay. Did they let you know this is going to be told to you in advance, or do they save it until right before it's going to be done so you don't get paranoid about it?
Corey: No, you don't know anything about how the process works. I mean, they don't even tell you the details about how the process works. They just tell you, “Okay, we're about to administer medication. You'll start feeling sleepy. You'll be able to respond to our commands. Then we'll administer more medication. And then the next thing you know, you'll wake up, and it will all be over.” And once they had administered the medication to where . . .
David: Do they have you catheterized so you can pee during these two weeks?
Corey: I was not catheterized.
Corey: I was . . . Once they had me . . . I guess it was some sort of anti-anxiety or something that got you . . .
David: That makes sense.
Corey: You know, that got you real . . . just calm and kind of loopy. And then they flattened out the bed. They come in and they start bringing these foam, like a frame thing around your body. And they slide your arm in them and close things around your arm that will keep you from moving around.
David: Like nylon straps or something?
Corey: Yeah, Velcro.
Corey: And they move you into another room. And this is where things really are hazy for me because I'm already . . .
David: Heavily drugged.
Corey: Heavily drugged. And they say that they're going to push the medication, the sleepy med, as they were putting up these white panels around my body. And I'm pretty sure they moved me over onto another bed from the gurney.
David: Did the panels look like they might be some type of technology, like an energy-beaming technology or something?
Corey: They just looked like white, maybe acrylic or plastic-looking panels around.
David: Okay. So nothing that special-looking.
Corey: Right. They start sticking needles and things in different parts of you for whatever reason, like in your thighs and in your body. And I faded out. And then at the end, you wake up, and you are now the age you were when you first arrived.
David: What did that feel like? When you first wake up, I mean, did you feel like you were coming out of a terrible, terrible hangover? Were you very groggy, sick?
Corey: It was just like coming out of . . . pretty much out of anesthesia when your surgery . . . You're just nauseated and disoriented, groggy, achy. You feel different. You're in a different body. At this point that they wanted to do another debrief.
David: How soon do you get to see a mirror?
Corey: I don't remember how soon after it was. I was in a . . . It seemed like they kept me kind of drugged up for a while. They immediately brought me into, like, another debriefing when I was still . . . when I was able to be more interactive and reminded me of all the things that I had signed. And it seemed like the environment and the people were different.
David: Were you aware of being on the LOC still? Is that what it seemed to be?
Corey: I was at the LOC still, but it was different. Everything was different.
David: Like just a different wing – a different part of the facility?
Corey: Everything just seemed . . . everything seemed different. Different people.
David: Do you think that possibly you were not in a different time?
Corey: Yeah. That's when they . . . Since you were already drugged, they wanted to do another debriefing, and then they would try to go through the blank slating and the screen memories. And they would try to do levels of screen memories to make you . . . They would wipe you to try to make you forget about the experience, and then give you screen memories to make you have conflicting memories about where you were and what happened, like give you memories of portaling to your room when you really walked back into your room. And it was just kind of a real kind of a mind screw.
David: So did it appear that they used the information that you gave in the first debrief where you sort of verbally talked through your whole experience? Does that become, like, their laundry list of things that they're going to now confabulate every one of those with fake memories and alternate stories so that nothing really lines up anymore? Is that the idea?
Corey: I'm not sure if they used that for that purpose. They keep a very detailed file on every person. So part of the debrief is they're verifying information and compiling information on their files, making sure they have correct information on personality profiles. And I'm sure that the first debrief was for several different reasons. But the whole part of them getting you back home is meant to be a whole groggy kind of process. I mean, if you've had major surgery and been driven home shortly after, like if you had a knee replacement or something like that, the whole thing is kind of a groggy kind of experience going back. And when the blank slating started to wear off, as it always did on me, the screen memories were there kind of at first. And I had memories of being portaled in and out of my room, but I had also memories of walking out to the car, out to the van, so I had kind of conflicting memories. And then the memories started kind of rushing back, immediately back, when I was that age.
David: Do you remember . . . I mean, obviously, if you're working out there for 20 years, you're going to be seeing yourself in the mirror.
David: Were there changes in your appearance over the course of 20 years? Was there a natural aging progression?
David: So if you're all drugged out and just out of it, when is the first chance that you have to really notice what this procedure has done to you, or the change that has occurred?
Corey: When you're back home the next morning, and you get up out of bed and you're still groggy, and you walk into the bathroom at your home and you look at yourself in the mirror, and you're confused.
David: What were the most notable changes to you in your appearance? What did you notice that was different? Or did the blank slating work so well at first that you thought that nothing had happened?
Corey: At first I was just really confused. And over weeks, the blank slating started to wear off, and I just immediately started having a lot of . . . The disturbing memories started coming back first, a lot of the very upsetting stuff. I was having a lot of problems with the memories. And then more of the organized, contiguous memories started to come flowing back.
David: When you say you were confused at first waking up, could you describe in a little more detail what you mean by the confusion? What was confusing?
Corey: I just didn't feel . . . I was confused. Something didn't feel right. I felt . . . Something felt out of place. I was nauseated. It felt like something had happened.
David: So something isn't connecting in your story here, which is, you're in the LOC. You wake up after the regression. You say that people and the facility looked different. So maybe it's 20 years back in the past now that you're in?
David: Okay. And you're all drugged out, and they give you another debrief. But then you're not amnesiac yet, right? You still remember what happened before? Or when you're under these drugs, are you just totally disoriented now?
Corey: I'm totally disoriented, but I still know where I am.
Corey: And I basically know . . . I know everything, but I am blitzed out on drugs like they give you for surgery, anesthesia.
David: So what happens between the second debriefing, when you're blitzed out on drugs, and then you being at home? How do they get you home? You're on the LOC, and then what happens?
Corey: Well, I have a memory of walking back into my house, climbing back into bed and going to sleep. And then I had a separate memory of being portaled into my room, climbing into bed and going to sleep.
Corey: And so there was a conflict there in the screen memory, and then the memory of walking up the front of the grass of my house and in through the front door and into my house, and then going straight to bed, climbing into bed. And then the other memory that I walked in through a portal into my room.
David: What happened . . . What's the last thing you remember in the second debrief? Did you end up losing consciousness again in the second debrief?
Corey: Yes. I remember going into the debrief and them starting to re-go over information, and then that's all I remembered.
David: So they may have given you more injections or some energetic something?
Corey: They did something.
David: So by the time you then . . . So you have this very foggy memory that they confabulated. Maybe it was a portal or maybe you just walked into the house. But then it's when you wake up in bed that the procedure has now kind of run its full course, and you're waking up out of another very heavily drugged amnesia.
Corey: Wait. This is when I'm home now, right?
Corey: Yeah. Okay. I think I was confused there. Yeah. So when I wake up at home, I wake up and . . . you know, I'm at home. And I don't immediately have a memory of those other 20 years, but I am still kind of confused, and something feels not right. And something just didn't feel right from the beginning.
David: Now, you've said this in other episodes, but I think it's really important to mention it again in this one. They promise you, when you do this 20 and Back, that when you come back, you're going to have a real cushy salary and all these benefits for all this service that you've done.
Corey: Yeah, that you'll get free college, you'll have six figures a year, you'll live comfortably for the rest of your life. But they don't plan on honoring that, because they plan on erasing your memory and then just putting you off on your own and keeping you under observation.
David: Did you receive some form of payment while you were in the Space Program?
David: Do various people have more money than others?
Corey: No, there's no money.
David: There's no money. So it's kind of like being a slave, or similar to, I guess, military service, where everybody basically just lives in the same bunks and has the same food. And you don't really get to have any possessions.
Corey: Everything's provided. No one even has photos from home. You don't have anything.
David: Are there any sentimental items you're allowed to have during the Space Program that you can bring from assignment to assignment? Like if there's an object that you decide you like, that you were able to maybe whittle something out of wood or something that you have for yourself? Are you able to keep that with you from assignment to assignment?
Corey: People had little things that they kept, but usually you just . . . you didn't have much room. You had a small little area to keep your couple changes of clothes, underwear, and the things that you needed, and that's all the room you really had.
David: That's your whole personal space other than the bed.
Corey: Space came at a premium, and there wasn't a whole lot of space for personal stuff. And there was no way to smuggle stuff from home, so people didn't have a secret deck of cards. They didn't have a picture of their mom and dad.
David: Can you remember a specific example of someone you knew who had a sentimental item?
Corey: There was, like, notes, letters written between people that ended up forming bonds and relationships, that kind of thing, that were in the program, but not any type of whittling or object like that.
David: Okay. So it wasn't like somebody would sculpt something or have an art project or anything like that.
David: No musical instruments.
David: Okay. So if they're not honoring these contracts and not giving people free college and tuition and six-figure a year jobs, then it must be that this technology works really well on most people.
Corey: Yes. Yeah, it's like 3~5% of people that the blank slating memory wiping and screen memory technology just will not work on. They try and try and try and the technology will not work on [those people]. A lot of the other people, the technology will work on for many, many years and then start to break down. And it usually will not start to break down until after that 20-year period they served. Like let's say that I didn't regain my memories. I wasn't an intuitive empath. I was an engineer of some sort. Around 2008, after that 20-year period that I would have served, people all of a sudden will start . . . it'll start breaking down a little bit – some of the blank slating.
David: Is everyone kept on surveillance so that they can monitor if that starts to happen?
Corey: People are monitored, yeah. And as I said, when you're up there, as well, you're completely cut off from all information from the planet. So, you know no Internet, no radio, no TV. You can't come back with who won the basketball or football game information, who won the elections. You don't know any of that information when you come back.
David: You're totally isolated from any information on Earth.
David: Do they feel that would cause, like, a time paradox - some kind of problem - if that were to happen?
Corey: I would assume that is why. When you're in this type of service, you know, they will just tell you the rule. You don't get any type of communications from home. You don't get any type of news updates, and you don't get to say, “Why? Explain to me why. Give me the details. Please break it down for me.” It's not that kind of a relationship you have with these people.
David: What is the year that you remember coming back? Or the splice point?
Corey: The splice point was just before I turned 17. So I was 16, just before I turned 17. And they returned me back . . . it was within a six minute or so window. So I was right close to 17 years old, right around 17-year-old mark.
David: Did you start to remember what you looked like when you were older?
Corey: When I started to get into my 20s, I started to really have . . . I really knew what I was going to look like at later ages. I mean, I had seen myself. As I was getting older, I had seen myself at that age before.
David: If someone forgets, what is going to be their subjective experience at the splice point? Is it going to be like they got sick and they're in bed for a few days, and like, man, I just feel horrible? What's their experience of the splice point?
Corey: They may think they have had a very strange dream or they had some night terrors. They may think they had a little bit of a flu or something and been nauseated, and something just didn't feel right.
David: How long does it take the body to recover from being two weeks in a coma immobile?
Corey: I was fine and ready to return to my life within, you know . . . the next couple of days. I was able to get my energy level back up and I was fine.
David: Are there any health complications from them doing this, or is it a really cool technology that just works great?
Corey: The people that have had this technology used on them report a lot of different neurological issues in their arms, in their hands, in their legs. Some of the people that spent a lot of time out will have issues with their eyes – cataracts, retina issues. But a lot of neurological issues.
David: And have you suffered those issues as well?
David: So there's really no way to have a government program that you can appeal for medical benefits because this is all off the books and . . .
Corey: Yeah, you can't just go to the VA.
David: Unacknowledged. All right. Well, this has been really fascinating. I hope you've enjoyed it too. I wanted to get through the whole thing, so this is going to be extra length compared to a typical episode, but I think it was worth it to cover all of this at once. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I thank you for watching.