Season 10, Episode 4
David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And here again with me is Emery Smith, a friend of mine for the last 10 years.
I've been leaning on you for a decade to do this, and you finally have. So, thank you, Emery. And thank you on behalf of all people in the world who want freedom and Full Disclosure.
Emery Smith: Oh, thanks for having me, Dave.
David: We were actually driving in the car, and we were talking about the bodies that you'd autopsied, but then you told me something in the car that I think sheds some deeper light on your experience.
And I'd like us to go into that part now, even though I think it's farther along in your career.
But it helps to establish a fundamental truth, which is that insiders, typically, when you get a real one, they have lots of different, cool things that they've done.
So tell us about the Vatican.
Emery: Oh, the Vatican. Yes, yes.
So a private organization went to the DoD [US Department of Defense] and the mil [military] labs I was working at, and they needed some technicians and some scientists to go to the Vatican to look at their archives, because they know that they had some information on a craft that was taken in New Mexico.
David: So there had been a UFO . . .
Emery: That was shot down.
David: And it was a recent one.
Emery: Yes, very recent. And they took this craft . . .
David: Why would they shoot it down? Was it hostile? Did it do anything bad?
Emery: No, no, no, not at all.
Emery: No, it just got too close to some of the weapons up there . . .
David: Oh! Okay.
Emery: . . . and from what I heard, from the debriefing.
And I don't know where it crashed. I just know where it was at.
David: Do we know anything about what this craft looked like or what kind of occupants they found inside?
Emery: No, there were no occupants that was mentioned, but the craft did look like a tetrahedron.
The best way I could put it is: make a tetrahedron out of PVC pipes.
Emery: Yep. And about eight feet in diameter.
Emery: Yeah, and it has a light in the middle of it.
David: And this was like a robotic drone?
Emery: It always stays centered. Ah, it could have been. But then again, a lot of these craft are conscious, actually.
Emery: And it can . . . Every now and then, it'll strobe. And then it'll fill up the spaces so you can't see through it.
David: What will fill up spaces?
Emery: Like, you know, I just said it was an empty tetrahedron, like made out of PVC pipe?
Emery: So you could see through it, and you could see the light in the middle.
Emery: Uh-huh. Yeah.
David: What color was the orb of light? Do we know?
Emery: It was blue, but it was very small, like probably three inches in diameter.
David: And the tetrahedron itself was white?
Emery: It was . . . The outside of it was like if you made one with PVC pipe and it was pure white, and it was seamless.
Emery: And if you got too close to it, it would actually fill in a space of . . . that you could not see into it.
David: But I still don't know if I understand.
Emery: Okay. So if you have an empty tetrahedron that you can see through, and we're only talking about the outside lines, okay?
Emery: So you could see through it, and you can see this ball.
Emery: And if you get too close to it, it'll actually go solid.
David: This tetrahedron goes solid?
David: And then what does it look like?
Emery: It's just white. It's just white.
Emery: Yeah, pure white.
David: So this appears to have been some kind of drone. There were no occupants in it.
Emery: There were no occupants, but it doesn't mean . . . because that white light could be some sort of consciousness.
David: Or a being. Right.
Emery: Or a being.
Emery: So you cannot . . . Any time you see light, you have to think being first and then go from there.
David: So you're saying, if I'm getting this right, that the Department of Defense had this craft, or whatever it is, get shot down in New Mexico.
And they're drawing a blank as to what it is or where it came from.
Emery: Yeah. I don't know where it was shot down. I just know it was stored in New Mexico, . . .
Emery: . . . because that's where I was at. But it was a first of its kind, so they had . . .
David: They have a very robust idea of what normally would crash, correct?
David: They have an extensive catalog?
Emery: They have an extensive collection, I will say.
David: Yeah, ha, ha. Okay. But this skewed the charts in some way.
Emery: Yes. Yes, it gave off different, I guess, frequencies or something that they were amazed about. And it didn't show any aggression or whatever after it was shot down.
And it was still obviously operational.
David: And you say that this craft was in the category where it appears that the material itself is a life form somehow?
Emery: Well, I don't know about THAT, because I wasn't in on that part. All I know is that ball on the inside had energy.
Emery: So energy and light always could mean life.
David: Okay. So what did they decide to do about this craft? If they don't know what it is, they don't know where it came from, what kind of resources can they draw upon at that point?
Emery: Well, what they do is they form a team, and they do a big background check around the world, because there's other catalogs in other countries and other religions.
And, of course, the Vatican has always been a huge database. It has a huge archive of many things: artifacts and things they have found from space and have collected over many, many, many, many years.
And they have an underground base under the Vatican.
So two scientists and myself were deployed to that area to the Vatican to an undisclosed location in the Vatican. And we took an elevator down about seven or eight floors.
Emery: And that's kind of how it all started. We got permission from the Vatican. They set it all up.
We're just contractors going there to collect any type of information that would be similar to this device.
David: So is it common that there is interagency cooperation?
Emery: Usually for exchange for favors.
David: Now, you are an Air Force veteran, right?
David: And we've often heard from various insiders that there's like an Air Force wing of the military-industrial complex and a Navy wing. They kind of broke off after World War II . . .
Emery: That's true.
David: And they've grown into these totally separate industrial complexes.
Emery: That's very true.
David: So would you estimate that most of your experience is in the Air Force side, because that's where you started, or . . .
Emery: Yeah, for this particular thing, I would say so, but they still work together when they have questions.
Emery: They're not banging heads.
Emery: But they do like to keep their secrets together, because the more they can show the government, the more money they can get at the end of the year.
So if I have some really cool things that I've collected this year for this corporation, this mil lab or Air Force mil lab, then we get more money.
And so they don't always share the secrets of what they're doing, but they do always work together to figure out things that they can't figure out. They work always . . . They're very compliant with that.
David: So I think the military budget, even on-the-books military budget, recently was like in the neighborhood of $864 billion – the ridiculous $700 toilet seats and that kind of thing, and the little nuts that cost $65.
So the idea being that the military budget has a lot of room in it for off-balance sheet expenditures.
Emery: That is correct. You know, you could get a toilet seat for $700. And they WILL go to Home Depot and buy it for $2.00. And they'll buy 2,000 of them. And then the rest of that money goes where?
David: Well, apparently, you guys are fighting over it is what you're telling me now. It's like a healthy . . .
Emery: It is a competition.
Emery: But from my experience, I mean, and I'm not one of the executives there by far or their financial advisers, but just from what I heard from some of the higher upper-class people in there that they usually always get about the same.
Emery: So it's not this . . . They're not beating them by billions of dollars.
Emery: And it is actually not billions, it's trillions.
David: Right, when you encounter all the other ways that money is being generated.
David: So if we have this craft that comes down, and they don't know what it is, just in a very general sense, if you can speculate – and I understand you might not have definitive knowledge, but I'd like your speculations. It's going to be probably better than mine.
How often do you think this kind of stuff is happening?
David: DAILY? There's crashes of UFOs daily?
Emery: Well, they may be . . .
David: I would not have expected that.
Emery: They're actually identified, because when we say “UFO”, we're thinking . . .
Emery: Vehicles. But there ARE a lot of vehicles that are recovered from space, or shot down from space, and then recovered and brought back too. And they're not always, of course, inhabited at all.
Emery: And a lot of these things too, actually, it's like the Trojan horse. They want us to bring this in here, so we can learn about good technology and can reverse engineer something.
David: A positive Trojan horse.
Emery: Right – a very positive Trojan horse.
David: Not like an AI infestation . . .
David: . . . that swarm over the planet.
Emery: No, not at all.
Emery: So, and that's what . . . It's so exciting that the scientists do realize that. And a lot of the corporations also learn about that.
The sad part is once they figure it out, it's forever for it to come to the public for us to use to help make our lives better.
David: All right. I'm still a little reeling here, and probably they are too. Every day? EVERY DAY?
Emery: Yes, every day.
David: Wouldn't there be people filming this with their phones? Wouldn't there be incident reports and . . .
Emery: Well, I think there are a lot of abnormal things people are seeing on YouTube and all these things.
Emery: And probably 90% of them are fake disinformation . . .
Emery: . . . or fake alien reproduction vehicles that they'll fly by just to make people fearful or whatnot. So there IS this happening.
But you have to understand, this doesn't happen usually over a major city. These things are usually . . . now are being shot down in XO atmospheric areas and brought back and then brought back very carefully to the surface here.
Emery: So it's not always like you shoot a jet down, and you see it streaming down, and kaboom.
Emery: You know, that's very rare.
David: So in a sense then, if we could liken this in some ways to a war, they are going to be very meticulous about not leaving any vehicles on the battlefield.
Emery: Oh, you will not see any vehicles on the battlefield.
David: So whatever happens, they bring it in . . .
Emery: It's intentional
David: They take a look.
David: Right. So that would then mean, I would guess, that there probably is some sort of diplomatic relationship with various ET groups. And then when people try to get in and breach that agreement or that contract, if you will, that's when problems arise? Would you say that's true?
Emery: Yeah, just like with Eisenhower. I mean, there were some nice, good things happening with the meetings. There have been many presidential meetings with certain ET civilizations.
And I think what happens is just because the president shakes hands with an extraterrestrial doesn't always mean that the president's military-industrial complex is also part of that contract.
Emery: And that's the problem. So we did . . . Hm . . . Our contract is void and null now because of this problem.
David: So if you could again speculate – and I understand that this is purely off the top of your head . . .
David: . . . or maybe you have some briefings, I don't know. If you're saying that one a day on the average is being recovered, that would be 365 per year, how many of those per year might you think would be unconventional or otherwise requiring a deeper degree of research for them to understand?
Emery: Well, let me get one thing. When I say collecting one a day, it could be a piece of equipment.
Emery: Okay? It could be an archaeological find, or it could be something from space that they have collected. Or it could be something we shot down.
Emery: So those are the . . . When I say that, that's how much data we are getting in on these devices EVERY day.
Emery: So that's why it's growing so much, and so much money is going into these projects, because it's an unlimited amount of . . . We can't keep up with what's happening.
So they're starting to store these things. And then certain things, certain organizations, are buying massive amounts of satellites to track these things with neutrino light detectors and forming their own ways of getting this technology as well, instead of just the military-industrial complex.
David: I want to run something by you, and it annoys me, okay? So this is a question that I ask out of some degree of anger.
But it very much upset me when I was talking to my insider, Jacob, where he was describing the redundancy of technology. That in some cases they found so much of a certain type of technology, like for example, ruins on the planet Mars, just in case we ever get there in the future, they've actually bulldozed over ancient sites and buried them, because they feel like they know what's there, and they don't want it to be so easily discovered.
Have you ever heard of things like that going on?
Emery: I've heard of things like that going on here on Earth.
Emery: And I wouldn't pass it by anyone else that that's happening on Mars as well.
David: So do you think then that the technology that they have in these secret programs is so immensely vast that in a lot of cases they can bring things in, and it's not really going to advance our knowledge that much?
Emery: It will always, usually 90% of the time, advance our knowledge, yes.
David: Oh, really?
Emery: I mean, if they bring any type of equipment, or bodies, or craft, or whatever it is, we are still learning. We are the medieval people here trying to get a hammer and a wheel made.
So all these little bits and pieces all still fit together sometimes. So you might get a piece today and a piece two years from now, and like, “Ah, here's the two pieces. Great!”
David: Oh, wow.
Emery: And that's why it's important now that a lot of the military-industrial complexes and the military, and the private organizations, are now teaming up for things they can't figure out, because they'll work on a project . . . they used to work on projects for maybe five or 10 years without asking for help.
Emery: It's kind of like the husband and wife driving around, and the husband is not going to ask and stop for directions whatsoever, because we're too stubborn.
Emery: So that's kind of where it's at now, but it's different. So they're sharing information. They're sharing data but very limitedly and very carefully.
David: It does seem to me as if the intellectual capital, the, if you will, financial and informational value of having more skilled employees working on this stuff, it would appear that once we have disclosure, and we can get a lot more, potentially tens or hundreds of millions of people more, working on all this stuff, that we will quantum leap even beyond wherever they are now so much. That's what I would think.
Emery: Yes. Yeah, there's still rules, and laws, and regulations universally, but as far as technologically, we will overnight transform the world within like a week.
Emery: I mean, you'll be able to 3D terraform houses in any place 50' above the Amazon so you're not destroying the trees.
Emery: It'll be cities will be put up everywhere. I know even our government has contacted me to orchestrate and architect a special city here that's self-sustainable, that's off-grid, has its own communications, its own electric, and all this stuff, because they're preparing to do this model everywhere.
Emery: And our government is in full support of that, especially POTUS.
David: This doesn't make me think that we have any overpopulation problem at all. If you have people who can become skilled workers, we want more of them. We should be colonizing. We should be going out and developing inside moons, developing inside other planets and on the surface of these planets.
We don't need to get rid of people. We need more people.
Emery: Right. We will need more people, because once the intelligence and all of this information comes out, then everyone's going to be really smart really quick. So then people will be training immediately on this stuff.
And the secret science behind how to do all of that will be revealed.
Emery: And as soon as that's revealed, you're right, it'll be like taking a flight from LA to New York, but to the Moon or Mars, to help colonize.
Emery: And it'll be that safe and that easy.
David: So I want to make sure we get into the Vatican.
David: You go down this elevator.
David: You're on an invited mission to try to figure out what the heck this tetrahedron thing is.
David: So what do you see? Let's . . . First, just tell me what the elevator looked like. Anything unusual about the elevator?
Emery: No, it was a very large elevator, larger than normal. You could put a car in it.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Normal elevator. Very clean.
David: Okay. Round, square?
Emery: No, square. Rectangular.
David: Okay. So the doors open, and what do you see?
Emery: We walk in. The floor was white. Walls were white. It was like a black rail.
David: A black rail where?
Emery: There was just like a black rail around the inside of the . . . like a rail you could hold on to.
David: Okay. On the walls?
Emery: Yeah, on the walls, about 3' up.
Emery: There's no windows, no glass, nothing like that. It was just a normal elevator. It was very silent. I didn't know it actually started moving.
Emery: It was like the most quietest elevator I've ever . . . You know, you usually feel the little bounce.
David: Right. Right.
Emery: There was no bounce. It was like we were sitting actually just talking, whenever we got . . .and when the doors shut, I was like, “Is someone going to push a button or something?”
David: Ha, ha.
Emery: I get antsy, you know?
Emery: And then I was like . . . And all of a sudden, like in a minute, the doors open. I was like, “What? Vatican elevator's broken?”
David: Are you wearing some kind of uniform or civvies [civilian clothes] at this point, or what?
Emery: I'm wearing civvies, yeah.
Emery: Yeah, civvies. Nothing special.
David: So you go in after the doors open, . . .
David: . . . and what do you see?
Emery: The first thing I see is a giant auditorium-type area. It reminded me . . . and I don't like referring to movies, but in Harry Potter's “Hogwarts”, I think it was like the vault system with all the little trolls, where you look up and you see all these square vaults, but it was very rustic.
This was spotless clean. It was beautiful glass everywhere. It was just like . . .
David: Oh, my God!
Emery: . . . these huge cubicles of glass. And some were different sizes. So it was really neat.
And through these cubicles of glass were all these metal strips and lines.
And then there were these platforms about 6' in diameter that could travel to any of these things.
And there was no jerky movements to them. They just kind of flowed and then could turn, and . . .
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: . . . but only on angles. They didn't do circles, or anything, to whatever . . . And there were many people on these things doing things with the vaults and looking through them and doing things.
Emery: But I didn't get to go . . . I was only on the first floor.
David: So this is kind of different. This is why I wanted you to say this, and why I wanted to do this right now is: the Vatican Library, you think it's like stacks of books and bookshelves.
Emery: Well . . .
David: This is very different.
Emery: Well, we're getting to that, . . .
Emery: . . . because we had to walk through this area to get to that old . . . that other stuff you see in the movies of books everywhere and things like that.
David: But what you're describing right now is like straight out of a sci-fi movie. It must have been just breathtakingly incredible.
Emery: It was the most amazing thing . . . one of the most amazing things I've ever seen, . . .
Emery: . . . because they're . . . the glass too, I was like, “This is . . .” They keep all this cool equipment behind this glass. I'm thinking, “That's ridiculous!”
Glass can break, and earthquakes, and, you know, whatever . . . explosions.
And he's like, “Oh, no. That's not glass. That's metal. That's a type of metal.”
The head director . . .
David: Wow! Like transparent aluminum, maybe, something like that?
Emery: Yeah, it was like a . . . Well, he said it's a . . . he did . . . He just said it was a metal. It's not glass.
Emery: That's all he said. He didn't give specifics, and I wasn't there to learn about the glass, even though I wanted to know.
David: So what was behind the glass? Let's just be clear about that.
Emery: Many different things. I mean, there was equipment back there that I've never seen before.
Some things looked like weapons. Some things looked like scrolls but on big plaques of like kind of a . . . It looked like Plexiglas, like stacks of them.
And they all had their own thing. There's no labeling on the outside of these doors, so you know.
Emery: None. No numbers; no symbols. It's just a gigantic, . . . like six floors of these cubicles.
Emery: Unreal. I mean . . . And like I said, cubicles there too were as small as a foot (12”). And some were as big as 20'.
David: Was the thing like a hexagon or like a square?
Emery: It was all square.
David: Okay. Wow!
Emery: Yeah, it was all square.
Emery: So as we were walking, I did notice some equipment that looked like giant . . . those Dorjes, those ancient brass things that they used to hold out.
David: Yeah. In Tibet.
Emery: Yeah, in Tibet.
I noticed they were in the shape of that, but they were solid, and they were luminous.
Emery: And there were no electrical cords going to it at all.
David: I've always thought that the double Dorje thing is some kind of technology that they just emulated with these little sculptures they have.
Emery: Right, but this was like a really cool, artistic, modern, ultramodern version.
Emery: It was really neat with really cool edges on it.
Emery: And it was glowing. And there was no electrical cords in there or sockets. It was just there.
Emery: So . . . And you have to understand I wasn't there for that. So I can't stop . . . This is not like walking through the Louvre, of course.
Emery: We're on a mission, and you just keep your mouth shut, and we go where we're going to go, which we wanted to go to the archives to find out about this, this device, or this ship, this craft with this light.
David: So what happened after you got through this majestic crystalline auditorium?
Emery: After we got through that, there was another double doors at the bottom, and they just slid open.
David: Like glass doors, or . . .
Emery: Hm-hmm, glass doors. They just slid open – just like separated.
David: Any noise?
Emery: No noise at all.
Emery: It was very quiet in there. No echoing, either, which was weird for me, because I thought even like a voice would echo in this room.
David: And when you saw the people on those moving platforms, what were they wearing?
Emery: They were all in white, like those . . . you know the surgical suits that are made out of that fabric?
Emery: And they had also on their heads the normal white caps.
Emery: They're in a clean suit.
David: Clean room.
Emery: Right, but it wasn't surgically clean. I think whatever they were doing, they were all holding something and looking at something and looking into the glass.
Emery: So I don't know what they were doing at all. I have no clue.
David: And do you think that there was anything beyond the first layer of these cages? Like was there deeper layers beyond one layer, or was it just all on the surface?
Emery: On the first floor where I was, I could not see . . . I mean, it just ended. Some were 10' deep. Some were 30' deep. You know, like I said, some were small, like 12” cubes, and some were enormous.
We walked by one that was at least 20' tall (almost 7 meters).
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah, it is amazing.
David: So what happens after these quiet doors open up? Where do you go next?
Emery: So now we're in the main library, I believe.
Emery: And there's these giant, cylindrical, gas-controlled tubes that are probably anywhere from 6' to 3' in diameter. And there's hundreds of them that go up very, very high.
David: You said 6' to 3' in diameter?
Emery: Yeah, 6' to 3' in diameter, glass, or whatever – metal, glass, or whatever they call it.
Emery: And there's windows on them that open up, and it goes up and down. And they have a thing that they hold, and they can scroll up, and then all those books go down. Like they're all on shelves, all these books, okay, and all these tablets. And they go up and down.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah, up and down inside these cylindrical columns, which I heard were vacuumed and gas-controlled to keep them from getting old.
Emery: And so they took us to this place and went to this one column. And he just brought it right up – all these different books about this particular craft. And we were able to get all that information.
David: What did the books look like, and how old were they?
Emery: Well, it looks like these books were actually translated from another book that someone wrote, because they said a lot of this was all translated. So it was all perfectly written and typed, like very new . . . just like today, like nothing fancy at all, to be honest.
Emery: It was in binders and folders and whatnot. So it wasn't fancy or futuristic.
Emery: It was just a huge database. But in many columns I looked at were very old things, like very leather-looking books.
And I noticed one had blocks in it. And I thought they were blocks, but they were tablets with information on them.
David: Did any of the leather books have a color cover, like a bright color?
Emery: Yes, I did see one that had many . . . like one of the columns had many colors in it, . . .
Emery: . . . and many sizes too. Like I saw one shelf had 6' books.
Emery: Yeah, it looked like books. I mean, it was far away, maybe 30' away.
David: Well, when Peterson described his trip into the Vatican, he said that a lot of the books were leather-bound and that they had buckles on them . . .
David: . . . and that they were color . . . like bright colors, like a bright red, bright green.
Emery: Yes. Yes, yes, I saw that, and it was very thick.
Emery: The leather was very thick, and they did have metal on them. I've seen a lot of that just walking to where we had to go.
David: So did you guys get to take the book and bring it to a reading area, like a table or something?
Emery: Yeah, no, he pulled it out. And there's tables everywhere that are off the ground on pedestals, and he just laid it out on this 6' glass pedestal, or whatever it was, glass or not glass. I'll just call it metal glass.
And he opened it up, and he is the one who shows us. We can't touch it, actually.
Emery: So he shows like, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And there was also a translator that was there, because the English was not that good.
And there were two other of their technicians there that upkeep, like library bookkeepers. So that was really interesting, librarians.
So the next thing that happened is they opened it up, and he just started scrolling through. And we were looking at it. I was looking at it with the two scientists.
And this is what we wanted. It was like exactly what . . .
So then we asked him if he had anything else that was similar to this. And he did.
Emery: So then he took us to another area and showed us another book. And they actually had sketches of the same exact thing . . .
Emery: . . . that was ancient.
Emery: I mean, I don't know how old it was, but it was pretty old because it wasn't written on paper – this giant sketch scroll that someone, some monk, had drawn.
And it had a lot of physics on it, and it was all in a different language.
So we were able to get a picture of that downloaded, and we got a copy of that book, and we escorted that back to home.
David: Did you get a sense from just what was spoken out loud or translated as to what this thing was or where it had come from, anything that specific?
Emery: No, because once I got back, I was pulled off of that project. All I can tell you is it was, I think, I believe, an intentional device that was put here to help. And then that was it. I've never had a part of that project again.
David: When it was in this foreign language, and you said it wasn't really like a book, what was it on? What did it look like?
Emery: It looked like wax paper.
Emery: Yeah, and it looked like it was black wax paper. I think you could maybe . . . as you wrote on it, whatever that stuff was would peel off so you could write on it.
Emery: It looked like something like that.
Emery: But I wasn't able to touch it at all, but it was the exact same device – I mean the exact same craft, but it was a lot larger in form. It was probably 10 times larger from this person's . . . Whoever sketched this, it was 10 times larger than the one we had.
David: So how do you think that idea that we discussed about people starting to be trained as disclosure happens? How do you see that unfolding?
Emery: Well, the first thing that's going to happen is everyone's going to want to know where to go.
“I want to be this person. I want to help. I want to know how to grow something overnight – a tomato. You know, I want to know about anti-gravity – how I can make my car float.”
So people are going to want to know right away, and it's going to be up to the government what kind of information is going to be released to the universities and public, because they're going to do it correctly.
They are going to do it through probably universities first.
Emery: And hopefully, a lot of the other scientists that are out there will pick up on what they're doing. And then they'll be able to live stream it and have a source way to get it to the public, where other people can just start thinking about it, because you have to free-source everything in order to stimulate the entire planet into wanting to do something instead of holding it in universities and saying, “Well, you have to learn this first, and dah, dah, dah, dah.”
Emery: But I think the education part will also be a lot easier in learning this stuff, because with the advent of all these new technologies coming out, also comes out technologies how to learn faster, . . .
Emery: . . . how to take care of yourself better. You know, a lot of these things are daily things that we do are going to be much simpler.
David: Very cool.