Season 10, Episode 5
David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Emery. And in this episode, we're going to talk about organic craft.
Emery, welcome back to the show.
Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having me.
David: So in order to open up this discussion, let's go back to your time at Sandia because we really have barely scratched the surface of that yet.
Obviously, we're going to get into this organic craft thing, but before we do, you had talked about the fact that, in the beginning, you were getting these partial bodies.
After you got through the salmon fillet phase, and then you got through the arms and legs type of phase, you got partial bodies.
David: So the first partial body that you told us about was, again, what?
Emery: The crossbreed tiger-type human hybrid.
Emery: Yeah. That was the one . . . It's very disfigured and dysmorphed.
And then the next one that followed that was the more of the smooth skin with the leopard skin, but with iridescent – like the peacock feather colors – skin.
Emery: And that face was a little bit mutilated, so I couldn't see the actual . . . but it was a very normal-sized skull, just like a human. The body was very thin and lanky.
And these bodies is what brought me to see craft, because later on, some of the tissue samples I was taking, they asked me to come take samples from a completely different part of the base, or this underground facility, that I would have to travel to, and also escort those samples back to my base, which was unusual for me to be a carrier, but it was all within the underground.
David: So if I'm getting this correctly then, what you're saying is, that in certain cases, you were working on a body, or a partial body, . . .
David: . . . but then they had reason to believe that there might be some biological similarity between the body and the actual craft that the body was in.
Emery: Exactly. And so I would actually . . . They would come on the intercom and actually say, “All right. That's enough.”
Because I'm doing samples the whole time and giving them . . . As soon as I get a sample, I put it through the window. So they're already testing, in the back, the genetics of this thing.
So I just remember them coming on and saying, “Okay, That's enough, Smith. We need you to go do a run.” And I didn't even know what that meant, because I'd never done a run.
David: Do you think that the people that are on the other side of the glass, that you pass these samples into, are more specialized and skilled workers than you?
Emery: Oh, absolutely.
Emery: I mean, I'm just a technician. These, probably, are the scientists and geneticists, you know, that taught me later on all about that kind of thing.
These people are probably those people grabbing it, running it through some advanced fast scanner of some sort. because they were always . . . [They would] immediately come back, within minutes of me giving a sample, as I'm taking another sample and say, “Stop that. Go up and grab something from the inner ear,” you know, or something like that.
Emery: So they were immediately, probably, another team behind these windows that are trying to find something out specific from this species.
David: Did you ever get to meet any of them? Or did you recognize any voices as being common voices?
Emery: Yes, I did later on, but I was not really allowed to hang out with them or talk to them.
Emery: But I did hear . . . You know, I see people in the locker room. I see people in the cafeteria. I see people on the outside, but not until way later on down the road did I actually get to meet people that were actually those people.
David: Interesting. So do you think, in some cases, that the tissue was able to be reproduced, like to be grown?
Emery: Yes. Yes, for sure. That's definitely what they were doing. They were trying to reproduce these cells.
David: Okay. So then, you said that at certain points they might ask you to take tissue from the inner ear and stop what you were doing.
Do you think they have a database of the tissue samples, and they're comparing . . . when they make tests, they're comparing it to other parts of . . .
Emery: YES! Yes. Like it depends . . . They're not only taking the tissue to reproduce. They're studying the tissue. They're studying the eardrum. They're studying the phrenic nerve. They're studying the heart muscle of this being. They're studying all sorts of different parts of this body for some reason, for their own . . . Who knows.
So it's not just one thing. They're doing many different things with the body for their own reasons.
Emery: Maybe they just need that optical nerve because they want to know how they see. Maybe they need that tendon to see what those tenocytes are made out of, because it replicates so quickly in a Petri dish – one of the hardest cells to replicate.
So I think they're just studying this like we are. I think some of it sometimes may be used for evil, and I think some of it is just trying to learn and find out, what are these beings, and where they come from, and what are they made up of, and so forth.
David: All right. I want to run something else by you since you brought this up. I think it's a fascinating thing to discuss.
Well before I ever met Corey Goode, or . . . I knew of him, but we hadn't gotten into this stuff till 2014, 2015, I had been speaking to this insider, Jacob. And he told me, at some length, that the Draco Reptilian beings had essentially been all over our galaxy looking for various genetic materials.
And then they had taken the very best of the things that they found and had somehow spliced it in with themselves and had created a sort of super being out of themselves.
Do you think it's possible that we could be on a similar trajectory right now by all this genetic research that you're talking about?
Emery: Yes. I agree with that tremendously, just because of all the different requests and the different briefings I've been involved with in this MILAB.
And not to say it was . . . Like I always tell you, not to say that it was owned by Sandia or Los Alamos. Those are just names for cover-ups of corporations.
Emery: People need to know that as well.
Emery: It's just that's where I was. That's the area I was.
Emery: Now, getting back to your question. Yes, I believe they were trying to get this DNA and somehow mix it with human DNA, and create, or inject, some inoculation into a human being to see if they could mutate and have different factors and different abilities that beings have.
David: Well, like eagles . . . Apparently, an eagle could see a dime from the top of the Empire State Building on the sidewalk.
Emery: Exactly. Right.
David: So if we had THAT kind of vision, that would be exciting.
Emery: Yes, it would. But then I would have to clean my house extra, extra, extra hard.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
Emery: Because I don't like dust.
David: Okay, so at one point, you – or maybe more than once, but at least once – you were called in to a different location . . .
Emery: Yes. Right.
David: . . . because of this craft being organic, they thought.
David: So let's talk about that now.
Emery: Well, that's when I said they were like, “Stop what you're doing.”
No one's ever said, “Stop what you're doing and go change out” or whatever. And “change out” just means get out of the spacesuit.
So that's what I did.
And they were right there, and they were like, “We want you to go here and take the tube, and you're going to be dropped off here, and so-and-so will be there to escort you to this area.
And that was the longest ride I've ever been on a maglev tube.
David: Like a sub shuttle?
Emery: Yeah, it was a sub shuttle capsule. It was a capsule, yeah.
Because you can't ask anything. You understand, you cannot, you know . . . They did tell me that this being came from this craft. They did tell me that.
Emery: And that I was supposed to take these samples from this part of the craft – I had my folder with me – and was escorted to this – you know, this was one of the first times I rode this thing – and got there.
These two guys came out. One was a security guard, and one was a scientist. And there was no other security. Like no . . . You didn't even have to pass through anything.
So it must have been part already . . . Once you get under, then you can go pretty much anywhere.
David: Can you describe what the room looked like once you got out of the capsule?
Emery: Yeah, sure. It looked just like a very clean, New York subway station.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: But it was very . . . another all white area, very clean, very silent. You could hear a pin drop.
David: Did you have some sort of container with you for samples?
Emery: No, nothing. I had the folder.
David: But what do you do with the sample?
Emery: Well, they have everything there.
Emery: Just like this operating room I was in . . . THIS room . . . this thing is in a huge operating room . . .
Emery: . . . you know, this craft.
David: Oh, wow!
David: So you walked into some sort of room where the craft was?
Emery: Well, first I had to go change. They made me change again into another . . . very similar like a locker room, but I didn't see any colors on the floors like in the hallways I told you about, the color codes.
David: Ah, right.
Emery: And there was always someone with me. They wouldn't let me be alone.
So I walked for at least 10 minutes down a very long, white hallway. There were many doors on the sides of the hallway, like every 100 feet.
And the door opened, and there I was in this giant – what I would call – a sterile hanger.
Emery: A sterile hanger is what I'll call it.
And there was this craft there, and there were many people there, a lot of people running around. They were all, of course, in clean scrubs, white . . . had the white jackets.
David: Now, you would assume a couple of things, okay? You would assume this is an underground base.
Emery: Absolutely. Yeah.
David: That it's on Earth most likely. Or we don't really know that, right, because the tube could have taken you to another planet, potentially.
But they didn't tell you one way or the other, I assume.
Emery: [Emery shakes his head “no”.]
David: And that those other doors would have other craft of some kind in them as well.
Emery: Oh, for sure.
David: And they made sure that you only went to the one door, so you couldn't possibly have gone and tried to open another door.
Emery: There's no way. They had biometric . . . They had so many ways . . . Just to get in that door, he did the same thing we would do at the top of the facial recognition and the hand print.
Emery: Yeah. They're getting a little bit more different now. Now, they're doing the DNA thing. But anyway, we'll get into that in another . . .
David: So what do you see? What does this thing look like when you walk into the room?
Emery: It's hard to explain, but if you ever ate ice cream, . . .
David: Okay. Ha, ha.
Emery: Like if you had an ice cream scooper, and you make those round scoops. And if you ever made jello in one of those containers where it goes like this, and then like this, and then like this. [Emery uses his hand to show a three tiered jello dish.]
Emery: Do you understand? I don't know what shape to call that.
David: It was a jello tree.
Emery: It was like a jello tree. Ha, ha. It was.
And . . . It was like this. [Again, Emery, repeats the same hand motions.]
And it was the most beautiful . . . I don't like the color red, but it was the most beautiful color red I've ever seen.
David: Hm. Glossy?
Emery: Yes. Yeah. Very reflective.
David: Any seams or just smooth?
Emery: No seams at all, completely smooth. And it did not give off any light, but it was kind of transparent and looked kind of like jello.
David: You could sort of see through it?
Emery: Yeah. It was kind of transparent, a little bit.
David: No discernible features on its surface? No writing?
David: No windows?
Emery: That was it.
David: Did they know how the beings got in or out of it, of the craft?
Emery: Because I had to go inside.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah. And that was wild.
So I have this schematic. I have actually two other technicians that are here – they work here – and they're with me, with all the sampling containers, and all the . . . You have to do this in a very sterile fashion, you know, with special instruments, and it's all right there.
And these two guys . . .
David: Was the schematic on something like your folder?
Emery: Yeah, it was on the folder.
Emery: This exact craft was on the folder – head-to-toe, inside, outside, everything.
Emery: Anyway, so these two guys are with me. We're walking up to the craft, and I'm allowed to share . . . They know, of course, everything I'm doing. They're assisting me, which is cool.
So I go to this point on the craft and, basically, cut a piece of the craft away with a special device.
Emery: And it was just like the tissue from the being.
Emery: Yeah. Same consistency.
Which, I didn't tell you about that specific being, by the way.
Emery: But it was very [much] the same consistency of that.
They took me around to the other side, and I took another piece and went underneath and went in the middle of this thing, because it's suspended.
And it is suspended. It has some sort of . . . There are . . . I don't know if it was metal, or what it was, but it was on something that was keeping it up in the air.
David: Like a chassis of some kind?
Emery: Yeah. They had built something to keep this off the ground about 9', 9'~10', I would say.
David: Did it move or wiggle at all? You say it was like jello. I'm just wondering how far we can take that analogy.
Emery: No, it was solid . . .
Emery: . . . but the consistency and the transparency of the first inch of this craft was transparent, like Plexiglas. You could kind of see into it.
Emery: And then it just stopped, because it got darker. It got darker, I think, with the color, as you looked in.
David: So you go underneath it, and what do you see? How do you get inside?
Emery: So underneath are all these other round cup . . . like if you had cut a baseball sized sphere in half, and now you have that round cup, and you would pop it on the bottom of this craft. [Emery motions that the round portion is facing downward.] There was like thousands of these little bumps, these half spheres on it.
So I was also instructed to take this sphere near the center of the craft, which was kind of hollow.
And I did. And it just came right off. It was not like something you had to take a chainsaw to. It was very simple. It was like cutting into human tissue or tissue from an animal.
David: Was this some sort of beam cutter, or was it more of a scalpel?
Emery: I'd rather not say anything about the exact device.
David: Okay. Okay.
Emery: But all I can say is it was made for cutting pretty much any type of tissue without destroying the tissue.
Emery: And that'll probably come out to the public soon.
Emery: So we took that and went down the center. And in the center, they had this little device like you see in the warehouses that go up and down.
And we got on this thing, and it lifted us up, and it goes all the way up into the thing. But it's just a wall with all those bubbles on it again.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah. So I don't know if that's the inside, because it was hollow on the inside.
So I went all the way to the top, and there was this one big, big bubble on the inside of this thing. Big sphere. 3' in diameter.
They would never allow me to go in there if it wasn't safe. Of course, it wasn't radioactive, but it had this glowing . . . kind of like on your Apple computer, that scary Apple computer light I don't like to see at night. It's like “a-a-a-ra, a-a-a-ra”.
Emery: It was like that. So it was doing this thing, and I felt kind of bad. I was like, I think maybe this thing might be still alive or something.
So I took a small sample of that, a very small sample. That's what they asked for – a small sample of like a punch biopsy, we would call it. It's probably like the size of an eraser tip. That's how much I took.
And I handed it off to the guys. They wrapped it all up, put it in a special box for me, and next thing I know, I'm back being escorted right out.
The whole thing took less than two hours.
David: Is the box clear?
Emery: No. No, it was a silver box, and it has inside a special canister that regulates temperature inside the box.
And the box is specifically made for these samples, like already pre-cut. [It is] kind of like you get those pelican cases, and they pre-cut the insides of them out. It was just like that, but it was vacuum-packed and vacuum-sealed, and it was very lightweight.
David: So let's talk about this . . . This craft is so bizarre. It's so unlike what any of us would have expected you to say.
David: Let's talk about the being now.
Emery: I know it sounds crazy.
David: No, it's cool. Let's talk about the being. What was the being like?
Emery: The being was very similar. It had a red consistency. And it was very . . . Remember I told you about that jelly-like creature, like we talked about, the transparent one before, which we'll get into later?
Emery: But this one was solid, and it was just perfect human shape. It had a face, though, that comes to a point instead.
Emery: Yeah. So the face comes this way. [Emery brings his hands from the sides of his face toward this nose and mouth showing more of a pointed edge than rounded face.]
It reminded me of . . . If you get an acorn – the shape of an acorn.
Emery: And you know how it does have this cup-like . . . you know, it's not perfectly round. It has this teardrop-type . . .
David: Sure. Sure.
Emery: And if you get the teardrop, and then you just squish it a little bit, it was just like that.
Emery: Yeah. But by squishing it, not that it would bulb out, but it would come to a point.
David: What was the size of the facial features compared to the size of the head? Like if you could map it out with . . .
Emery: It was very similar to a human's.
Emery: Like, as far as how far the eyes were . . . because that's one thing we measure. We measure across the eyes. We do a symmetrical test like plastic surgeons do.
So we want to see symmetry. We always measure all of that, and we also have a scanner that goes over the whole body to 3D replicate it, and models.
So every creature they have is already 3D model replicated.
Emery: And so there's a whole museum of this, by the way, of these craft and all the beings, . . .
Emery: . . . all 3D replicated in many different materials. It is like this secret museum with all this stuff in it that's locked away somewhere.
I don't know where it's at. I have no idea. But I have seen many of the models in the projects for specific beings.
David: So when you say the eyes were white, are they round? Are they almond shaped? Are they like human eyes? What would the eyes look like?
Emery: No, they were more round than the typical almond shape, but they were the same size.
And this creature was probably 5' 5”, about 5' 5”, 5-foot, 5-inches tall.
David: Was it just all white, or did it have something like an iris or pupil?
Emery: No, there was a different color – white in the middle, but it was still all white.
But there was a circle in the middle that was whiter than the rest of the eye. So you could see that.
And I was not . . . My part of that being was not to have anything to do with the face or the eye for sampling. I was actually down low doing something with the reproductive system, taking some reproductive organs out, when they told me to stop and go to do the run.
David: Did these beings have a skeleton?
David: And how similar to us would the skeletal structure be, from what you could tell?
Emery: Just from where I was working at in the pelvis, it was very similar. I didn't see anything different.
I did not see the X-ray of that, or the CAT scan, or MRI, or what we call the . . . Well. we have a special scanner that scans the whole body. And you can really see everything all at once before you go in, but I didn't get to see it on this being. I only got to see the scan for the reproductive area.
David: How many . . . Did it have hands like we do?
David: And how many fingers?
Emery: But they were smaller. They were smaller and thinner.
David: How many fingers?
Emery: And longer. There are five fingers.
David: But longer fingers, you said?
Emery: Yeah, they were longer – a lot longer than our fingers by . . . You know, I have a size 9 hand, which is pretty big. I would say these creatures would probably have fingers maybe 30% longer than our fingers.
Yeah, they were very long and very thin. And they did have fingerprints.
Emery: Yeah, they had prints on them.
And their skin was just like this [Emery points to his skin], but it was red.
David: Oh, so it was actually more like a human in the way that . . . the texture of the skin.
David: And what kind of red would you say it was, like if you had to describe the red a little more in detail?
Emery: Like a brick red, rose red, if you mix that together. It was a nice red. It was like a matte brick red.
Emery: But not as dark as brick red – a little bit lighter.
David: Did it have any body hair?
David: What would be the proportions of the skull to the body compared to one of us?
Emery: The skull was a little larger than a normal human skull, and the torso was smaller than our torso. But the legs were longer, and the arms were a lot longer than our arms, to say the least, . . .
Emery: Yeah. . . . as far as symmetry.
David: So do you think that if somebody who didn't know anything were to have one of these walk up to them, with these white eyes and red skin, do you think they would be terrified?
Emery: Well, . . .
David: Or did it have sort of a noble look to it?
Emery: . . . I don't believe so. Or course, the fear that's installed and programmed into us, yes, maybe. But you have to understand, they don't . . . when you approach, usually, extraterrestrials, you're going to know right away.
Like that guy hiding in the corner as you're walking around the alley, he just doesn't feel right. You know, you get that feeling.
You know, never use this [Emery points to his head]. Always use your heart to feel.
And I think that, for the most part, on first seeing something, you could possibly maybe have a fear factor involved if you have not been in these projects, of course, or have never seen this, and you're 15 years old, and you're in the woods, and here this thing is.
Yeah, they're probably going to scream bloody murder.
David: Ha, ha, ha. Right.
Emery: But then again, if this was walking down the streets of New York, I think most of the people would be more enticed about it and not go throw rocks and hatchets at it.
Emery: I think they would be coming up and . . . Here you have this being with its arms open, with no weapons, not hurting anyone, not saying anything, let's say, and emanating a very good peaceful energy, or negative energy, whatever the being is.
People are going to respond in the right way.
Emery: I believe in the people. I believe people will do the right thing.
David: What was the most physiologically abnormal or different thing about this being that you saw either on the MRI or in the autopsy?
Emery: It was the uterus. Yes.
David: What was different about it?
Emery: It had four chambers.
David: And did they have any speculation as to what that might be for? Did it have multiple . . .
Emery: It can have multiple children all at the same time . . .
Emery: . . .4 children, or 6, or 8, or 12.
David: Very interesting.
David: Is that something that might be common, or is that kind of unusual?
Emery: That's very unusual. It means that species can multiply very quickly. And they have a way of measuring the chemicals in the body to measure how fast they can gestate, which is really cool.
David: Here's what I don't understand: the uterus has all these chambers, but it wold appear, based on conventional human gestation, that the baby has to grow to a large enough size to really kind of fill the womb.
How could a being have so many chambers and still have the offspring able to actually be born and be healthy?
Emery: We believe that this being only has babies once in their lifetime. And it's possible, after that, they die shortly after.
Emery: Yes. But that's inconclusive. That was just where it was left with me.
David: Do we know anything about what these beings are called or where they're from?
Emery: Yes. Ha, ha.
David: But you can't say, or can you?
Emery: No. No.
David: So it's really bizarre to me to try to understand: how do you get an organic craft that looks like the body?
I mean, if people didn't have the respect for you that they had in previous episodes, this whole thing might sound completely, totally ridiculous.
But yet, on the other hand, the way you answer my questions, I always use forensic techniques. I jump around, and I ask really specific details, . . .
Emery: You're good at that.
David: . . . and you don't miss a beat.
David: So this is a very strange thing we're talking about.
Emery: Yes. So the craft are made in space. They're made by harmonics and frequency and sound. And they are also, just like I can say, for example, your own pet. And what that means is: you have a good conscious connection with this craft.
Lots of craft can be made from your own DNA, have a piece of your DNA in it, and that allows you to consciously assist with the consciousness, you know, speak to the craft telepathically, and also move the craft without doing anything.
Emery: The cells on those craft are living cells. And without getting too far into the physics and science, that doesn't exist yet, which will sound a little crazy, those cells have micro/nanoparticles of computer technology in them.
Emery: Yeah. They can store energy. And we're talking on a super nano level, you know, very, very small.
The cells themselves, like, one day you asked me: “How the heck do these cells, or these synthetic cells, work like the mitochondria?”
And I was kind of hesitant to really tell you, but they're like micro capacitors inside these cells that self-regulate, so the whole body, and every cell in that craft, is actually speaking to itself.
David: And I think you had said at one point that, in some cases, it's like a hexagonal matrix?
David: Like a honeycomb?
Emery: The scaffold is sometimes like a hexagon, like a honeycomb. And that allows cells to go in there, and grow into there, and be happy.
But that scaffold, also, is the whole part of the craft that allows the craft to communicate with the cells and the user.
David: So you're saying that they can grow a craft in space?
David: And how prevalent do you think this is amongst extraterrestrial civilizations that are advanced enough to travel here?
Emery: I think it's a common thing. They learn how to produce gravity, a gravitational field – an electromagnetic field that envelops the craft and the person, so they have their own atmosphere, and their own gravity.
And that's why they can go a million miles an hour and turn at a 90° turn, because they're in their own gravitational force that has nothing to do with a planet or anything else around them.
David: I guess one of the things that . . . If we're going to really get speculative here . . . People might wonder, if the craft would become sentient and then perhaps turn on its owner at some point if it wasn't feeling respected?
If there could be some danger in having a being with free will that is your spaceship?
Emery: THIS is where it gets really interesting. The craft IS you. So YOU are the craft.
Now, if you are suicidal, then the craft will be suicidal.
Emery: If you are having a good time, then the craft is going to be happy too.
And it feels this way on a craft. You can actually feel this back and forth.
You know, it's not operating really on its own as much as you think. It is its own sentient, but it only feels your emotion, which is really neat.
Emery: I've been on craft before where I felt like . . . the best way I could put it is: I felt like it was my pet dog, because it was just so funny and cuddly and hilarious.
Emery: But at the same time, it was very obedient like a dog.
Emery: It would never turn on its owner. You know, although some dogs do, you know what I'm getting at.
Emery: I'm getting at that point where it's a very beautiful connection between the beings and their craft.
David: Well, it makes sense you would want to design it that way, so it was safe.
Emery: Right. I'm going to program it not to bite me anymore. Ha, ha.
David: Right. Ha, ha.
All right. Well, Emery, I want to thank you for being here. And I want to thank you for watching. This is Cosmic Disclosure. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with our special guest, Emery Smith, talking about organic spacecraft. Thanks for watching.