Season 2, Episode 4
DW: I'm jazzed up for this episode. Welcome back. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And we are delving deep into the world of cosmic information, the most highly classified stuff you could possibly get your hands on. It's been jealously guarded behind so many compartmented layers of secrecy that it was just never available before now. If you've been following our narrative arc and you've been watching through previous episodes, we've already covered some really incredible stuff. We discussed how the German secret societies as early as the 1920s and on into the 1930s formed diplomatic and political relationships with two different intelligent civilizations, one known as the Draco, which appear to be a various confederacy of reptilian-looking humanoids, and the other being the Agarthans, which are Nordic-looking people-- in other words, blue eyes, blonde hair, humans about our height, maybe a little bit taller, who presented themselves as being not from this world but as he revealed are, in fact, people who were originating here on Earth and due to catastrophic events, had to go underground. So now what we've been discussing is how this alliance formed and how Agarthans and the Draco allowed the Germans to be able to have the little extra help that they needed to make their way up into space. We were just starting to get to some really good stuff last time, and now we're back to continue the story forward. So Corey, welcome back to the show.
CG: Thank you.
DW: I'm just trying to keep my brain in my head here because the stuff that you're telling me-- what is it like to get brought into this world and to learn all these things? If you are walking around in society and you know all this stuff, what's it like to see people who think that we're alone in the universe and to think that this is all there is and there's no life after death, all this kind of stuff? What's it like to live in this world?
CG: You get used to it. You see people looking up at the moon, and I look up at the moon, and I look at it totally different than other people. You grow accustomed to it.
DW: So we were talking about the history of how our space program got developed, and this subject of the Agarthans is really fascinating. It seems to connect so many dots. When Graham Hancock wrote "Fingerprints of the Gods," his hypothesis was that you have these blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Aryan-looking people who show up in boats to all these various indigenous cultures all over the world, present themselves as gods, and teach them things like how to create a water wheel, and then use the water wheel to start grinding grain, and how to do metallurgy, mathematics, astronomy. Do you think the Agarthans had a lot to do with rebuilding our societies in the aftermath of some sort of catastrophe?
CG: Yes. Yeah, that ancient breakaway civilization did, and there were others that did the same thing.
DW: So these Agarthans, you said, were a lot more favorable to the Germans because they looked more like us. And this is where they got this master race concept from, you believe?
CG: Either that or they were favorable to them because of their proclivity to a master race. I don't know which came first.
DW: So did the Agarthans fly with the Germans in their bell craft?
CG: Well, the bell was actually the engine component, or the component that caused the electrogravitic field. The craft were actually larger saucer-shaped in the beginning.
DW: What were the craft called in the documentation that you saw?
CG: When the Americans actually got their hands on them, they termed them ARVs, Alien Reproduction Vehicles.
DW: Well, just to loop back to my question because some people are going to be left hanging if you don't answer this, did the Agarthans ride with the Germans in these craft?
DW: Was this a frequent thing? Were they usually supervised and didn't just go by themselves?
CG: In the beginning.
DW: What was the size, you would estimate, of the Agarthan population? Are we talking maybe 10,000 people, 100,000 people? How big is it?
CG: I don't know. I know it was very large because it was a network.
CG: This was a network of underground cities. In the Himalayas, that was the closest-to-the-surface city, and that seemed to be where they came and went from the most from the surface.
DW: Wow. So the Agarthans introduced the Germans to this ruined area that was under the ice in Antarctica. And you said that there was some underground development as well as on the surface.
DW: Are we talking like basement cellars? Or how much underground infrastructure did they have down there?
CG: It was basically the same kind of underground caverns that had been built out by another civilization in ancient times.
DW: So it's pretty extensive?
DW: We're talking multiple levels down?
CG: Right, just like the description I gave to you one other time about the further you go down, you have kind of a honeycomb structure of caverns deeper under the Earth.
DW: Let's just jump to that for one second because I think a lot of people are going to have some trouble with that in the idea that, at least in conventional science terms, there's an understanding that the farther down you go into the Earth that the temperature is going to steadily increase. So wouldn't these people just be burned alive in some kind of super oven?
CG: That is the case for certain areas and depths. And then after those certain areas and depths, it begins to reverse.
DW: You actually get a cooling effect.
CG: Right. It gets exponentially less pressure and less heat, just as it exponentially gets hotter and more pressure as you go down. It reverses.
DW: Do you think that these areas that are deep under the earth that actually have vegetation and their own parallel evolution of a biome of animals and plants and so on-- do you think this is evidence of intelligent design? Doesn't it seem like the planet is rigged to have intelligent life that can live on the surface and then maybe more advanced intelligent life that can live underneath to supervise while being undetected?
CG: Life springs up wherever life can.
DW: Even in such a complex form as a whole biome, you're saying?
CG: Right, even in interstellar space.
DW: Right, we talked about before, the Solar Warden people analyzing these plasma beings out there. OK, so let's walk through now how the Germans got up to the moon. We kind of covered this a little bit last time, but you said that the super federation meetings that you talked about, there were 22 genetic programs that are being run on humanity, part of which involves the sharing and splicing of genetic material. You also mentioned that we're programmed to seek out and worship god-like like figures and to transfer our power to gurus and leaders and politicians, that kind of thing?
DW: And these people that run this super federation, I think you said there's 40 that are normally like the main ones?
CG: 40 to 60.
DW: Is it always the same delegates that they send to these conferences or does it rotate?
CG: It's usually the same ET delegates. The Earth delegation rotates.
DW: So Corey, we're going to have to devote whole episodes to what happened with the building out of the moon, what happened with the building out of Mars. But for the viewer, it's going to be a really difficult thing for them to understand how Germany, which was really the main industrial engine behind World War I and World War II-- they were arguably the great industrial power of Europe. And then America became their main counterpart in this boxing match that created World War I and World War II. That very strong industrial power seems to have been crushed. When we see the aftermath of World War II, the Germans had to pay enormous reconstruction settlements, financial settlements, that essentially bankrupted their economy, just like what happened after World War I where you got the Weimar Republic, and people have a wheelbarrow of money just to go buy a loaf of bread. So look, Germany seems to have been flattened out and had nothing left.
CG: Well, at this point, Germany had already been abandoned by the German breakaway civilization.
DW: Really? When did that start to happen?
CG: It started to happen well before the end of the war. They saw the writing on the wall. The war was going to go badly. They knew it. So they started, as we discussed, creating enclaves in South America, in Brazil, and then down in Antarctica.
DW: So this was all in preparation for them losing. What were they wanting to do if they lost?
CG: They just wanted to continue their breakaway civilization, just continue and leave all the regular people behind.
DW: Is the apparatus that's developing the breakaway civilization in its own separate compartment, different from the government apparatus that's actually fighting the war?
CG: Yes, they were totally separate by this time.
DW: Really? I think that's a widely misunderstood concept, what you're saying there.
CG: Yes. So what had happened is in Operation Paperclip, America had obtained quite a bit more scientists than as advertised.
DW: What is Operation Paperclip, for those who don't know?
CG: Operation Paperclip is an agreement to where we obtained German scientists and technology that was highly advanced, and these people were like 20, 30 years ahead of us technologically, is what they say on paper. So we brought them in, and after the war we took these German scientists and put them into our fledgling space programs, into our infrastructure, and started giving them quite a bit of power as they started proving themselves as valuable assets.
DW: Why in the world we trust them?
CG: They were making us money.
DW: Doesn't seem like a good idea.
CG: Well, it wasn't. So what we had in 1947 was our intelligence agencies had discovered that the breakaway German groups had created enclaves in South America and Antarctica. And we knew that in Antarctica, it was a very large military base. So what the DOD had decided was to send a very large fleet under the command of Admiral Byrd. And this was called Operation High Jump, which many people were familiar with the name of that operation. I can't remember the exact number, but it was a war fleet.
DW: Battleships, destroyers?
CG: Battleships, destroyers, aircraft carriers, submarines, whole nine yards.
DW: This is after World War II, though. You said 1947?
CG: 1947, yeah. And they made it all the way down to Antarctica. And they ended up running into quite a bit of high technology that they didn't expect. There were these highly advanced aircraft that were coming up out of the water and from mainland Antarctica that were shooting down their craft and causing major damage on, I think, several destroyers. And their lives were lost. They really had their rear ends handed to them.
DW: Shooting them down with rockets or machine guns?
CG: Advanced weaponry.
CG: Right. Energetic weaponry of some sort.
DW: Wow. How destructive were these weapons? What would happen if they fired one?
CG: It was destructive enough to get the job done. So they turned around, retreated, came back, and Admiral Byrd went before the DOD and the President, the Joint Chiefs, and gave a closed report about what he ran into. And his log is still the captain's log. It's still under lock and key to this day. Some of his comments made it out into the public realm to where he said, the next war, we will be attacked by aircraft that will fly pole to pole in a matter of minutes. A couple little comments got out like that from him. But this caused the DOD and the intelligence agencies to go to the Paper Clip scientists.
DW: But wait a minute. I was a geek, and I've read like 300 books on Atlantis and all this. And they say that Admiral Byrd saw the flat Earth, that there were mammoths and cavemen.
CG: That's a bunch of stuff that came out later that has nothing to do with the actual mission that he was on.
DW: Was it disinformation? Was it planted disinformation?
CG: It was either disinformation or somebody with a large imagination. I don't know which.
CG: But they ended up getting in contact with some of these Paper Clip German scientists and asked about it. And some of them came clean and said, yes, we know about this group. And they said-- they being the Americans-- American intelligence and government, said, well, can you get us in contact with them? So these Paper Clip scientists started a dialogue between the Americans. And then I believe it was Truman.
DW: Did they do this over radio communications, some sort of encrypted communication?
CG: Well, it started out radio communications. And they arranged for a meeting between Truman and this breakaway group.
DW: No kidding?
CG: And this breakaway group started making some pretty heavy demands that Truman didn't like.
DW: So if High Jump is 1947, what are we now talking in time?
CG: Immediately after that.
CG: Yeah. So after that, there was a period of contention. The German breakaway civilization found out through the Paper Clip Germans that after Roswell and a couple other previous crashes from extraterrestrial craft, that we had created a policy that it was top secret above nuclear weapons, that the existence of extraterrestrials and certain technologies was never to be released to mankind. And it was because it would destroy society and all of that. That was their reasoning. So the German breakaway group down in Antarctica took advantage of this and pretty much started doing sorties over the United States. And this includes the 1952 flyovers of Washington, DC, that were two weeks apart.
DW: I always had thought that was extraterrestrials. They flew right over the Congress.
CG: That was the German breakaway group. And that was their way of saying, agree to our terms, sign a treaty with us, or we're going to break this wide open, and we know that that is your worst nightmare. You don't want the American people knowing anything about this.
DW: Or they'd lose control of the oil. So they'd lose their money. They'd lose the economy.
DW: They'd lose political credibility.
DW: Wow. So it's the offer they couldn't refuse.
CG: Right. So this was happening at the end of Truman's time and at the beginning of Eisenhower's time in office.
DW: At this point, did the President of the United States still actually have the final say-so on the military and what they were doing?
CG: Yes, he still had quite a bit of power. And Eisenhower and Truman were the ones that signed treaties with this group.
CG: And what this did, is this brought the German breakaway group here to the US. Now, both groups had an agenda. The Americans had a plan that when the German breakaway group got here, we were going to infiltrate them, get their technology, find a way to defeat them, to use clean language, and then come out the winner.
Well, the German breakaway group had exactly the same plan. They wanted to build out the infrastructure in deep space, or in our solar system, and who better to do that than the United States? Because we had defeated them with our industrial might. I mean, that is what defeated them. We built more tanks. We built more bombs. It was attrition that caused them to lose the war.
DW: Did this German group get out with gold? Like did they have their own source of funding that they could use if they had potential labor pools to activate?
CG: Yeah, they had lots of gold and plunder that they had.
DW: But they need workers. They need actual industrial infrastructure.
CG: They need industrial infrastructure, and they needed access to our corporations which signed the checks, and created the business plans, and helped build out the infrastructure. So what happened is they basically won the little competition of who would infiltrate who. They completely infiltrated the military industrial complex.
DW: Completely infiltrated?
DW: That's a very provocative statement. How do you define completely infiltrated?
CG: Well, they had already had a pretty good foothold with the German Paper Clip scientists. And when they came in with all this high technology, the fat-cat businessmen didn't care who they were. They didn't care if they were German breakaway groups. They didn't care what patch was on their shoulder. These banker fat cats and big-company bigwigs just had dollar signs in their eyes.
DW: They want the best toys on the block.
CG: That's right. So they with open arms accepted these German groups. And they got onto their boards. They totally infiltrated.
DW: What did the Germans show them to convince them? Did they get any tours? Did they get to see this stuff in Antarctica, anything like that?
CG: No, they handed over some of the ARVs, craft, to let us back-engineer while they were still playing us. And this was really the root behind Eisenhower's farewell address about the military industrial complex.
DW: His warning about the rise of unwarranted power and influence by the military industrial complex.
CG: Yes. And by the end of the '50s, early '60s, they had completely infiltrated, also, the intelligence agencies. And then after that, they finally had taken over basically the US government.
DW: That's a lot to take in.
CG: It is.
DW: I think everybody, especially people who are sports-minded, want to be on the winning team. And if you are on a team that didn't win, you feel as if you're a failure. I think you're going to encounter a lot of resistance because people don't want to be a failure. They want to believe in God and country, mom and apple pie, white picket fence, SUV in the driveway, and 2.5 children. What you're saying completely violates the idea of America as we know it.
CG: And that's what's going on at the top. Everybody down at the lower level, we still have that illusion. We still have the white-picket fence. We still have the SUVs in the driveway. So we've been able to maintain that illusion.
DW: Are there still people in the US military who believe in the Constitution that they swore an oath to?
CG: Absolutely. Yes.
DW: So this could cause a problem, then, if the corporations, the defense contractors are cutting a deal with the Germans. Not everybody is going to really want to dance in lockstep with Germany.
CG: Yes, and we can get into this later about the contention in the government, in the Earth alliances, and what's going on there. The Germans, once they had a firm grip on the infrastructure of the United States, that is when the massive buildout started to begin in space and the secret space programs. And they started working together with American cabal groups that had pretty much been working together the whole time, during World War I and World War II anyway. So at that point, that's when they started to build out the secret space program in earnest and the massive infrastructure that I'm talking about.
DW: So you said High Jump 1947, Truman starts to meet with them right after High Jump. Negotiations start to take place, but it's not going well. And then the Germans pushed the envelope by making this very blatant public UFO sighting that, if it happened now with everybody's little camera phone, it would be the end of the UFO cover-up.
DW: Right over the capital, right over the government building of the United States of America. That's 1952 you said. What's the timeline? Sketch it out for us of when did this translate. Did they immediately surrender after that over-flight? Was that like the final uncle, uncle, uncle thing?
CG: That was the straw that broke the camel's back to where the presidential advisors said, OK, we need to sign a treaty. When we sign the treaty, we will also come up with a plan to go ahead, and try to infiltrate, and steal their technology, and deal with them at a later time. We won't try to deal from weakness. And that pretty much brings us up to date to where we got to - where they started to build out the main infrastructure of the Secret Space Program.
DW: Now, that obviously is going to take manpower. How do they get the muscle? This is another thing I think people have such trouble with. And we only have a few minutes left, two or three minutes left.
CG: That's going to get us to something a lot of people have heard a little bit about which has been called the Brain Drain that occurred in the '50s, '60s, and on through the '80s of a lot of top scientists across the world being approached and made offers to join these programs. And there was all of a sudden all these brilliant scientists that disappeared off the face of the Earth.
DW: You say a lot of scientists and all these brilliant-- what is "a lot" and "all these?"
CG: There were millions of people over a long period of time that were brilliant and showed a lot of promise that they felt could contribute to this space program that was growing as the infrastructure group. And they brought these people in to be a part of it.
DW: Well, my insider, Pete Peterson, an old-timer, of course, said that it was 50 to 60 million people in the Brain Drain.
CG: That's a lot.
DW: And are they assigned to have children really quickly once they grow of age?
CG: Yeah, they're told to be fruitful and multiply.
DW: So 60 million people who have kids as soon as they get to be old enough to do that, you could be talking about a population as large as everyone in the United States or more.
DW: Wow. We're going to be continuing this narrative forward, finding out more about what happened. How did we get these people up into space? What were they told? There's a lot more coming up ahead here. So I thank you for watching and stay tuned.