Season 2, Episode 10
CG: Thank you.
DW: So when we last left off, we were talking about the ICC, or Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, as they're called, using the industrial power of the military and corporate might of the United States post World War II to create a massive expansion. Now, you said that there was a seed base on the moon that was small, that was built by the Germans, that was then expanded quite considerably by the ICC. And you also said that there were many failed attempts at bases on Mars, and then certain bases actually stuck and were able to stick around. And then those also got built out.
DW: OK, so how many of the seed bases lasted on Mars? And where were they?
CG: The first couple of German seed colonies that actually made it on Mars were within the first 20 degrees of the polar regions. There was one in particular that the ICC used to expand and build off of. And this one was somewhat in a canyon area, into the side of a canyon, and advanced in and was under the surface of Mars, not on the surface.
DW: And you said that how they hollowed out more space inside the Earth was with these, what I was told were called Fifth Gen type nukes, where they just create a big, sudden explosion with no lingering radioactivity?
DW: The one that became the mainstay, was it in the northern or southern hemisphere?
CG: The northern hemisphere was where the first main base that was a German name, in the beginning which was built, was built out.
CG: And it was built out in a huge way. It was built out to contain a large amount of engineers and scientists. And also, a little ways away an industrial complex was built where they were going to start producing I guess the items that they needed, technology that they needed, that came from raw materials they mined on Mars, moons, and in the asteroid belt. They took these raw materials, turned them into usable materials, and even composites, and created what they needed in these rather small plants in the beginning.
DW: So what was considered to be the desired technology that they were building out there in the beginning? What was their initial attempt? What did they want to make?
CG: They were building what was needed to expand on Mars.
CG: So in the beginning, they were just building what was needed to expand their infrastructure on Mars.
DW: So are they building materials on Mars out of local stuff, like you said before, involving the Kevlar bags and then making concrete out of local earth from the Mars sphere? What was the building technique? You said that these industrial facilities they had were building the things they needed.
CG: Yes, they were building-- the raw materials were coming from mining that was going on, on Mars, on various moons, and the asteroid belt. These raw materials were taken to the Mars' industrial areas further away from the colonies and converted into usable materials, whether they be melted down into certain metals that were put into dyes or forms or converted into composite materials.
DW: Well, you're touching on an interesting thing now because you're describing mining that's not just happening on the moon or Mars. So we haven't really gotten into yet the scope of-- I would guess there would have to be some kind of facilities built to mine on these moons or asteroids or wherever.
CG: Some of these asteroids are incredibly huge to where there are three- to four-man teams that live there on these asteroids and operate--
DW: Three or four people?
CG: Three or four people. And they operate these mining facilities. A lot of it's done robotically and remotely through remote machines. The raw materials are then put into these large freighter craft and then flown back to the planet Mars to the facility that it needs to go to. And then the raw materials are taken out of these freighter craft and then converted into the materials that are needed.
DW: You said in a previous episode that the Germans had discovered, through extraterrestrial assistance, these spherical, natural portals they could use to teleport even something as big as a battleship to Mars or elsewhere. Are there such natural portals available to them on these asteroids or on the moons? Or why would they have to use a shuttle craft, is really what I'm saying.
CG: It's just more practical for them to transport these materials in these large freighter craft to and from the asteroid belt and the moons to these locations.
DW: If we saw one of these freighter craft, what would it look like?
CG: It's almost like a super large shipping container with small little wings on each side that just barely jet out. The wings don't look like they're large enough to use the Bernoulli principle to give them flight in an atmosphere, but there's wings on them nevertheless, real small. And the front has about a 45-degree angle where the cockpit is. And the back part is basically like a big-rig or a shipping container. That part is detachable. But I've never seen it detached. I've only seen them attached and coming and going.
DW: You said that the original German craft were using this mercury propulsion system, rotating mercury. What is the power source for a craft like these shipping containers? Are they still using the mercury at this point? Or have they gotten in a more advanced propulsion system?
CG: They're using more advanced propulsion systems, and there's different types of propulsion systems. There are the torsion systems, which lot of people call warp drives.
DW: People in the program actually say it's a warp drive? Or you're just saying lay persons?
CG: We would consider it warp drive. It creates a torsion field. You have like the engine here, and on either side, you have a torsion coming from the center of the device on out.
DW: The field?
CG: The field, the torsion field. And then they control how much energy is going into the torsion, the field on either side. And it causes the space time to twist, causing it to be pulled in one direction or pulled in another direction because of basically like the warp drive that they've depicted on Star Trek. And there are--
DW: So it's almost like it's creating a hill in space time that it's falling into as it goes forward.
CG: Right. And there are temporal jump drives that are extremely advanced. They had to place buffers on these temporal drives so people weren't jumping back and forth in space time in our local area.
DW: Meaning time travel.
CG: Right. And it works almost like teleportation. It's instantaneous.
DW: So what was your understanding of time as it was presented to you? Did they explain the discrepancies between the physics of time, like Einstein saying it's one-dimensional, and it only moves forward?
CG: Yeah. Basically they showed one of Einstein's equations-- he had things close. He just needed to flip one equation over here. His later things that were suppressed, he had even closer. But the physics that are being pushed on us are archaic. If we compare it to medical terms, it's like if you have a fever, let's cut you and let you do bloodletting. It's that far backwards in the way of thinking.
DW: All right, let's stick with the drives for a minute. So you have the space time, like the squeezing the pumpkin seed out your fingers kind of thing, where it's falling into the hole that it creates.
CG: Yeah, the torsion.
DW: Torsion drive. Then you have this temporal drive, where you could actually travel in time, but you say they put buffers on it. And why did they need the buffers?
CG: Well, to prevent people from doing it on purpose, and also there are accidents. They actually had developed a communication device, and it was actually based on something that you mentioned earlier, quantum entanglement.
CG: And each of these devices, they would take an isotope that they were quantum entangled.
CG: And these devices, you would speak in one, and they also had video. And there was no signal being sent between them. They were completely secure and unhackable.
CG: And they called them quantum correlating communication devices. And these were in vessels. And if a person had a bad jump and ended up somewhere or some time they shouldn't be, the two isotopes would be out of harmony, I think they called it, for a certain amount of nanoseconds. And they were able to calculate when and where the person or the other device was by calculating how long it took the vibrations to come back into harmony.
DW: So could you talk to somebody in a different time by quantum entanglement?
DW: Really? Wow.
CG: Anything that's quantum entangled, no matter how far you separate them in dimension, reality, time, space, they stay entangled.
DW: And by like the Doppler effect, the lag time, you can calculate space and time coordinates of where that person ended up falling into?
DW: Did you experience time paradoxes, like that kind of thing? Is that part of why they don't want people jumping back? Can they mess with our timeline somehow?
CG: There were a lot of experiments of people going back in time and doing experiments. And they were saying, oh, we've created all these divergent timelines. And then they were sending teams going back trying to fix them and making things worse and worse and worse. And finally, they realized that time is like space. It's elastic. And all these paradoxes all collapse and go back into a singularity. And that our consciousness controls these timelines, has an effect on these timelines as well and which timeline we're going to be-- we choose which timeline we're going to be in consciously.
DW: Let's just get back to what we're trying to cover in this episode for now, which is some of the people are traveling in temporal drives, and there's build-outs of colonies in our solar system. So if we look at the history, you've got the moon first, then Mars. How soon after they got to Mars and they got successful, stable encampments, did they start building facilities on asteroids or other moons?
CG: Almost immediately.
CG: Yeah, the Germans had already started mining certain asteroids. And this is one of the reasons the ICC wanted to go out there. They heard there were asteroids out there that had platinum and gold. And the talk down here on Earth about there being a discrepancy in gold, gold being rare, silver being rare, that is a total manipulation. I mean, just on Earth the syndicates have hidden a bunch of gold.
CG: There's tons of gold. And the gold that they're finding in these asteroid belts, atomically you look at Earth gold and this gold, they're the same. They don't have different atomic structures. It's gold. So there is plenty of gold in the solar system and so many tons of gold and platinum and silver and other elements in the asteroid belt.
DW: Could you actually find entire asteroids that are just like a piece of gold or a piece of silver?
CG: Well, I wouldn't say that they're entirely a big nugget of gold but are very much gold. It doesn't take a whole lot of refining to separate the gold from the bedrock, or what used to be bedrock, that it's in.
DW: Well, I would think if they wanted to wrangle an asteroid like that, you'd need a pretty big craft. So what were the original sizes of craft that the Germans were using as they made this expansion outward?
CG: Small. They were flying to these large-- I mean, picture this huge asteroid and these little bitty craft. They're landing on these asteroids, and then they're setting up mining facilities and slowly digging further and further and further and further in to these asteroids to where they're getting more and more hollowed out. Well, these asteroids are constantly being hit by smaller asteroids and this kind of thing.
Well, you have safer working conditions inside. So most of what's going on is further inside the asteroid. And once they had gathered a certain amount of raw material, whether it be gold or platinum or any of these other things, it would be put it into these large container craft and then flown to its destination to be changed into usable materials.
DW: When I was talking to Pete Peterson, he described the really interesting properties of a metal called bismuth. And he said that you could extract it into a very, very long wire and then make a coil with bismuth and run electrical current through it, and you get all kinds of weird stuff start to happen.
CG: Yeah, I believe that that is what is used in the Gauss guns.
DW: What's Gauss-- Gausskin?
CG: Guns, the weapons that are basically like rail guns.
CG: When they took them apart to show me, they had rods running down the barrel and then this thin wire-- they called it the coil-- that ran along the outside that basically worked like a rail gun. An electromagnetic field pulsed. And also an electromagnetic field pulsed down the rod and sent a projectile out at like-- I can't remember. It seemed like 5,000 miles an hour or something. It was like an incredible speed. And the projectiles were just under like 50 cal.
CG: And at the bottom they had basically a grenade launcher. And these grenades were like 20-gauge shotgun shells, just in size and shape-- they didn't look like shotgun shells-- that were launched in a similar manner that had a very advanced plastique type explosive in them that gave a much larger report or explosion than like an M203 grenade launcher. And these were the rifles that the security details would carry.
DW: Did the ICC or the Germans develop advanced computer technology faster than we did on Earth that they could start to use in all this robotic mining and things?
CG: Yes. They've had computers, computer systems, and quantum computers much, much longer than-- way before Bill Gates and IBM started to put out motherboards and integrated chips.
DW: So can you just spell out for us now-- when the Germans first got started, what was the approximate year that they first got a stable encampment on the moon? Do you know exactly?
CG: I know that it was in the late '30s that they were using an older facility that they had pressurized and were using while they were building another smaller base.
DW: This was like Ancient Builder race type of ruin that they found?
CG: And then that was in the early '40s, I think, that they completed this small base of theirs.
DW: When was the first stable base that lasted on Mars?
CG: I think around '52 to '54 is when they really started getting the United States to sign the agreements, and they had only just really got a good foothold on Mars by then. They really had a lot of setbacks on Mars. They lost a lot of lives.
DW: So almost like an 18-year struggle.
CG: Yeah. I mean, they really did the pioneering work on Mars.
DW: But they had better success building mining facilities on asteroids and moons prior to stabilizing Mars?
CG: This was at the same time.
CG: Yeah. Once they had a stable area to call their own territory, then they were then starting their mining operations. And their mining operations were more-- I guess when a geologist goes around a large region and is picking up certain rocks, doing core samples, getting a good idea and then labeling certain areas and grids. I think it was more of an excavation and figuring out what was out there. And when they found certain things they needed, they would start small mining operations.
DW: Did anybody from Earth that we would know of get like the dog-and-pony show maybe to help keep them quiet, like a president or prime minister, early in this game? Did they get to see what was going on so they knew what they were involved in?
CG: I believe Eisenhower may have. He was the one that ended up, ironically-- him being a general in World War II, I imagine it was very difficult for him to come to terms signing treaties with these German breakaway groups.
DW: Oh, yeah.
CG: I can imagine it was really hard for him. But I think he ended up after-- in 1952, things really got heated because we were turning down the offers, the demands. The Germans were making a lot of demands about wanting access to the United States and our resources as a part of a treaty. And we were denying it. We told them no. We were trying to play hardball negotiations.
And through the Paper Clip, this German secret breakaway group knew that the highest law in the land was that the United States didn't want any of its people to know about the existence of extraterrestrials or higher technology, so they used that against us to force us to sign a treaty with them. And in that process, I'm sure that Eisenhower more than likely, along with all of these corporate people that saw dollar signs, got the dog-and-pony show, and then the corporate people were just 100% on board and wanted to exploit everything that the Germans had found.
DW: Sure, that makes sense. I don't really have a strong sense-- you've just kind of said "moons and asteroids." So what moons are we talking about? How many of the moons in our solar system-- because there's a lot of moons in our solar system.
DW: There's at least 100.
CG: Right. There's a lot more 100.
DW: OK. So how far did this go? And how much did it expand over time? What were the earliest moons that were conquered or landed on?
CG: All of this is very tricky diplomatically because a lot of moons are off limits to everybody because they're diplomatic territory, "owned" by some of these 40 or 60 groups.
DW: The Super Federation.
CG: Super Federation people, especially around Saturn.
DW: Really? Saturn has a lot of moons.
CG: Yeah, yeah. But there was a lot of activity around the moons of Jupiter.
DW: Germans and ICC people?
CG: Mm-hmm. And Uranus. And then the asteroid belt. But I don't know or remember any actual moon names or what actual element or resource they were exploiting from which planetary body.
DW: Well, Io is one of these weird ones that has all these volcanoes and stuff like that around Jupiter. And it's very close, and it's quite hot. Is a moon like that too inhospitable for them to land on?
CG: Yeah, there's some that they could not get access to. I remember reading-- there was one moon that was circling around a gas giant that was spewing some cloud of some element out that they were collecting, they were collecting from space from behind the moon. I know that sounds ridiculous.
DW: No, not at all, actually.
CG: I haven't seen anything that says a moon around a gas giant is spewing stuff into space, but--
DW: Well, I actually have. Io, as we were just talking about, does have very active volcanoes that are spewing off a whole bunch of particles--
CG: Into space?
DW: --that have created a ring that actually looks like a saucer falling, when the saucer falls and it's kind of doing this as it's coming to a rest. That ring tips with the gravitational field of Jupiter. And there's been a significant increase in the particle density of that ring since the 1970s that NASA has tracked.
CG: Have they done a spectral analysis of what the chemical is coming out?
DW: Yeah, and it's got lots of weird stuff in it like argon and neon and helium and oxygen and a lot of things that we might be able to use.
DW: So that does make sense to me.
DW: Every time I ask you questions, I'm learning all kinds of new stuff. So this is really mind-blowing. This is "Cosmic Disclosure" because you need to know. I'm David Wilcock, and we'll see you next time.