Season 11, Episode 6
Emery Smith: Hi, Dave. Thanks for having me again.
David: In a previous episode, we were discussing some kinds of things that might happen where perhaps somebody is shifty and nervous, and they're looking around. And they come up to you and they say, “There's something I really want you to know, but I don't know if I should tell you.”
And I asked you, “Did that ever happen?” And what was your answer? Let's just review that first.
Emery: Yeah, there was something similar to that. It doesn't usually happen that way. It usually happens after you know someone's been in a project for a very, very long time, longer than you have, even.
And they see that you've been in there a long time, so they know that you're doing something right because you're still there.
And, you know, at the lunch table, you might be sharing some information. You might become friends, which you're not allowed to become friends with anyone, even inside these compartmentalized programs or outside. But it does happen.
David: Well, now, wait a minute. On a typical military uniform, there's a name, right, like in the Army or the Marines.
David: Do you have names on your uniforms in there?
Emery: No, no. There's no names. You only have the band.
David: So are you allowed to tell people what your name is, or is it even . . .
Emery: Yeah, you're allowed to have “casual conversation”, they say. So people talk about their families, what they did over the weekend, common things you hear normal people talk about: movies and TV shows and funny jokes, of course.
A lot of jokes are said during lunch that people come up with that also reflect on some of the projects that we work on. But it doesn't talk about the project, so it's okay.
David: So you could get to know somebody by name . . .
David: . . . and remember their name and talk to them. Did you also have outside the cafeteria any recreational areas that you would hang out with these people in?
Emery: Well, not recreational areas, but I became friends with a lot of the commanders and a lot of scientists that were in the same projects.
And I did illegally meet with these scientists and people for social gatherings, dinners and barbecues.
You think because it's your commander inviting you to the barbecue, that – and he's been in it for 10, 20 years more than you – that everything's going to be all right, right? And that's not the fact. That is not a fact . . . that it's not all right.
And they put these in place – these rules – so these things don't happen and that the information does not fall into the wrong hands.
And one of the commanders on one of the projects I was working on I became really close with – a really good friend of mine. And we'd go mountain biking together. We had motorcycles. Just one of my buddies, you know?
David: Were you allowed to have a mountain biking expedition with the commander off base? Or was that not . . .
Emery: No. No, you are not allowed to.
Emery: Absolutely not. I remember visiting him and his wife, and my girlfriend and I, many times out to eat and things. And we would never really talk about anything to do on the base. We were really good about that.
But, you know, during our lunch hours and during other hours of trainings in these underground facilities, you do talk sometimes. People slip up and start talking about things.
And one of the things he mentioned to me was this amazing craft that he was going to get me involved with possibly to work on and to actually try out the flight simulator of an alien reproduction vehicle.
David: Now, had you ever gotten to see any craft before this point?
Emery: Yes. I did see a craft before this point but not to this extent, and they were not alien reproduction vehicles.
David: Now, what is an alien reproduction vehicle for those who don't know?
Emery: When we have craft that we find or unearth or shoot down or collect from space junk or collect from some other place in space, it's brought to these facilities, and they basically try to reverse engineer these craft to the best that they can of their abilities.
David: So this commander buddy of yours . . .
David: . . . sounds like you guys had really gotten close. You're going mountain biking with him. You're having dinner with his family.
Did they have . . . like . . . Did you guys get chipped? Could they have GPSed you and know that you were having dinner with this guy?
Emery: No, not that I was aware of. I actually got caught with the commander in a location that I was not authorized to be in because of my clearance.
And everything went to hell in a handbag after that.
David: Well, this is a story you told me many years ago, so let's unpack this a little bit.
Where were you with the commander when he first told you about this, and what did he say you might be able to see?
Emery: There was an actual extraterrestrial craft that they had captured and brought into one of the underground hangar operating rooms . . .
Emery: . . . the whole vacuumed one. And inside that, they were duplicating it in the same room, trying to reverse engineer the craft.
Emery: So they started with the inside of the craft. So it was kind of like the craft was opened up, and you could cut it in half.
And it was a diamond-shaped craft, and it wasn't that big. It was probably no bigger than an 18-wheeler [large semi-tractor trailer].
David: So when you say “diamond-shaped”, could you be more precise about what that means? What would it actually look like if you had to draw it?
Emery: Like a piece of fluorite.
Emery: It's an octahedron.
David: A pyramid on top, pyramid on the bottom.
Emery: That's right, but laying down. So the points are out, not up and down.
David: Oh! Okay.
Emery: So it's laying this way [Emery separates his hands to show a horizontal arrangement] and balancing itself perfectly.
Emery: So they made this. They were trying to do that.
David: And you said it's about the size of an 18-wheeler?
Emery: Yeah. It's really small.
David: And what was the color?
Emery: It was gold.
Emery: It actually had a light to it – a very nice light, like these lights that are on us on our face.
David: So it glowed?
Emery: Very subtle. Very subtle. And it had a very metallic surface, so it would reflect light if you shined light on it.
David: Seamless, again?
Emery: Seamless, except for the edges of the octahedron.
David: But you said it had already been dissected or something.
Emery: Yeah, . . . well, no. The craft that they were making next to it was just . . . They were trying to find out how it works and how it flies around.
And they were doing a lot of stuff with the actual electromagnetics of it. So they duplicated a half version. They cross sectioned a man-made half version, okay?
David: Like just half of a octahedron?
Emery: Just of half of . . .
David: You could cut it down the middle?
Emery: Yes, exactly.
David: Okay. How did you get there if you're not cleared to be there? If you're not authorized to be there, how in the world would you get into that room?
Emery: There is a stipulation if you're escorted by someone of high authority. And a lot of the times, for emergency reasons, you have to go to certain places really quick.
And as long as you're with someone that has a clearance higher than you, then the responsibility falls under that person for legal issues and for everything.
Emery: But everyone knows that if you're not read into a project, it's very unlikely you would go see something without knowing everything about it.
And I was NOT read into the project. I was read into the project clandestinely through my friend.
David: Walk us through what happens.
Emery: So we got down to this floor. The door slides open, and we walk down a hallway around maybe 100' [30.48 m] or so. And there's another normal vacuum door that we would see that slides open, just like you see regular elevator doors that slide open, but these are VERY thick doors – extremely thick, about 24” [610 mm] thick.
Once these doors open, there's a platform, okay? This platform goes another maybe 30' [9.1 m] with railings. And it completely drops down to an abyss that you cannot see the bottom of.
Emery: And the walls are completely covered in rock, just like you would see in a cavern – just pure solid rock walls.
And THAT – the room I'm about to go across this catwalk – IS a doom room that the craft is in.
Emery: So you have all these different bridges going to this self-suspended operating, pressurized, giant room.
David: So you had to get through these 24” thick blast doors . . .
David: . . . just to get to the catwalk . . .
David: . . . through the cave BEFORE you get to the dome part.
Emery: Yes, exactly.
Emery: So it's a very, you know, . . . It's very secured, for sure. And I don't know why they have this room suspended away from walls maybe a hundred feet.
So you have this giant room now. You're walking into it with multiple catwalks from other doors that go into it.
And then you come there, and the same thing. These doors open up . . . the same doors that you just saw, another 24”. And NOW you're in the bay.
Emery: And that's where the two craft were.
David: Describe now what you see, and how do you approach it?
Emery: It's a large, round room with a dome top that goes very high. I don't know exactly how high – at least a few hundred feet.
And the floor is completely mirrored in a metallic, mirror-type tile. The tilings are in a hexagonal shape. And they're very large tiles. They're maybe six feet – these hexagon tiles.
I don't know if they're used for electromagnetic . . . There might be something under there. I was thinking maybe they used it to shoot frequencies up to this thing because both craft are now touching the ground, but these things weigh a couple kilotons.
So obviously, something is supporting them unnaturally that we're not used to having here on Earth – some sort of anti-gravity.
One of the craft is the original, of course. We talked about this.
And then the second one is just for instructors to learn how to fly this craft.
David: What was your experience? Were you afraid to talk and to say how awesome this looked? Did you say anything to the commander?
Emery: Yes, I did say it. I said, “This is amazing! This is awesome! Thank you for allowing me to be part of this project.” Because I was just an . . . I really just thought this is my first introduction maybe to this, and now I'm maybe going to be part of this in some way or another.
David: I'm really curious about this flight simulator system. Could you go into a little bit more detail about what is the actual experience? Are you seeing stars? And do you zoom around Jupiter and Saturn in this simulator? What do you actually do?
It's a complete description of 3D reality of the entire planet and the oceans.
David: Of THIS planet?
Emery: Of this planet.
Emery: It doesn't show anything going off planet, by the way, nothing further than the Moon, I mean. But other than that, they have complete simulations of the Moon structures, also inside the Moon.
The coolest thing was the oceans here. It's things you would never have seen before.
And whether that's just written in as a program, I don't believe so. I think it's an exact replica of stuff they already know about.
So just imagine plugging into Google Earth times 1,000 with some virtual reality glasses and being able to go anywhere.
David: What was cool about the oceans?
Emery: Well, the oceans . . . We only know about the oceans just from Google Earth and what we've learned from the encyclopedias. Not many people can get into a sub and explore the oceans.
And we know more about our own space than we do our own oceans, and everyone knows that.
And the seat is actually a part of the craft.
So there's not like a chair. It's actually molded – I'll say a mold of a seat – and in that . . . in front of that is this huge dashboard.
And this dashboard has many screens in it. It has many holographic images. It has joysticks but made for your hand. Your hand slips in them.
Emery: So imagine a reverse glove, I guess, where you're putting your hands into this glove area. And your palms fit nicely on a smooth ball surface. And that is what turns everything on.
Emery: Yeah. So he was beginning to teach me how to fly the craft.
David: So you got to sit in this cockpit?
Emery: I flew the craft.
David: Inside the dome?
Emery: No. I mean, this was a simulator. That's why it had a big screen in it.
They were trying to reverse engineer the seat and some of the things they've seen in there. And then this was fake. This was a big screen. It's a simulator of that craft.
Emery: So they were training clandestine pilots how to use this craft with these ball things that your hands slide into.
And it's a very comfortable seat, by the way.
David: Would this morph for your body, or was it just a nice, comfortable shape?
Emery: It felt very . . . It was very plasticity. It didn't contour to your body. It didn't morph to you, but it did give way.
So your elbows and everything . . . you had to be sitting in a certain position. And it's kind of reclined a little bit, and you're sitting back like this with your hands in these weird . . . which is part of the seat, by the way, the gloves.
Don't think of gloves, everyone. Think of just holes in the seat that your hands perfectly fit on these balls that are in there.
And after going into the simulator for a number of hours – at least three or four hours – I just remember hearing that horrible sound of the doors opening because everything echoes in there.
You hear everyone's conversation – everything. There's no carpet or anything. You can hear a pin drop from 100' away.
And it's just this dead, beautiful silence and just our voices. And then when the doors open, they have this very interesting sound. It sounds like a . . . If you ever had a piece of plastic . . . I always refer to X-rays because you know how the X-ray paper is?
Emery: And you shake it, and it goes “rah-rah-rah-rah-rah”. Well, these doors do that. “Rah-rah-rah-rah-rah”, and they just come right open. And they have this “rah-rah-rah-rah-rah-rah” – this really weird vibrational noise that's just not common to hear on a mechanical door, I'll say.
And when I heard that, I looked at him, and I said, “Oh, are there other people coming?” He says, “No. No one is allowed to be here right now.”
And that's when the suits came up.
David: What do you mean by suits, exactly?
Emery: The suits . . . I was figuring on him being the ultimate commander here being in charge of anything. No one's higher than him. So how are any security going to say anything about this? Because I legitimately thought this was okay. And it was not.
And these suits are people in black suits, okay? This is not a clean area, by the way. So you don't have to have your space suits in here. This is what we call a “dirty area”. So you can just be in your uniform there.
And these suits came in, four . . .
David: Are we talking suit and tie?
Emery: Yeah, suit and tie, four or five of them. They were all taller than me and bigger than me.
David: Are we talking “Men in Black”, like with the hat and sunglasses?
Emery: No. No hats and sunglasses, just normal, big guys, but very professional.
Emery: Not security either, but they could be. And I just remember them grabbing him by the arms and just pulling him away of the thing.
And then they told me to get out of the chair, and I just got out of the chair. And they put my hands behind me and zip tied me and blindfolded me. And that's the last time I ever saw him.
David: In your whole life?
David: Okay. Walk us through this now. I know this part is very painful, but tell us.
So you have some kind of bag put over your head. You're zip tied. How long was it before you got into the room? What did you experience along the way? Was it in a vehicle?
Emery: It was a long walk. I was in three different elevators. It was a very long walk, and I was trying to trace my steps to where they were taking me, but then they put me on one of these electric ground cars that they have.
And they're very small, but they can hold four people. But think of it as a toboggan-type thing, but double the size.
And they were talking in a different language that I do not know.
The last thing I remember . . .
David: It didn't sound like any Earth language you're familiar with?
Emery: I thought maybe it was Navajo or some other Indian language. It sounded just an offbeat of Navajo language. I know a little bit of that from living in New Mexico, but I didn't understand it. And they spoke it very fluently. And they would break in and out talking in English to me.
David: Did these people look like they were from Earth otherwise?
Emery: They were genetically modified humans for sure. Somehow they were genetically modified because they were just a little bit too large. They all looked a little bit too similar. And they were very professional and smart and very, very strong.
David: What type of race of people on Earth would they be?
Emery: They were like . . . They were white. Their race was white. They had blue eyes. They had different colored hair. They were dressed very nicely.
David: And extremely muscular?
Emery: Extremely muscular and large. Yeah.
David: So this is intimidating right off the bat.
Emery: I was scared, very much so.
David: Were they carrying anything like a weapon or something on them when you first saw them?
Emery: No, not at all, but they were forcefully handling me. And I was being very compliant, but they were still handling me very forcefully.
David: And what happens next?
Emery: They take me out of this vehicle into a small room, because . . . I ended up getting my blindfold taken off at the end. That's why I can describe it ahead of time.
But I was blindfolded. I had . . . My arms were zip tied behind me. And they told me to sit down in a chair. And there's three chairs and a table in a 10' room.
And I was struck in the back of the head numerous times, in the neck and also in the stomach, by some sort of instrument, like a baton maybe or something.
And I did go unconscious. I was bleeding from the back of my head but nothing on my face.
They then sat down and decided to ask me a lot of questions. They were asking me questions of how long did I know about the project? What did he tell me?
You know, I admitted to having a friendship with him on the outside with his family, which they already kind of knew, but we never talked about any of that.
I asked if I could get some medical attention because I felt like I was losing a lot of blood. And a person was brought in, and they basically just applied some direct pressure to me. And they told me to go home, and that they would contact me.
David: Did you have contusions or a concussion afterwards?
Emery: Yeah, I had a concussion and a big hematoma on the back of my head. I was petrified to go report it. I thought maybe that would . . . and I think they were testing. I thought that was the next test.
And it was, because I didn't say anything. And that's how I got my job back, because I was able to keep a secret. And the secret hurt me.
David: What is it like to be in that place where you feel completely powerless, you're handcuffed, you can't see anything, and you're just getting savagely beaten? What was going through your mind? Did you think they were going to kill you?
Emery: Yeah, I just thought this was it. I wasn't even saying anything because I knew what the contract is, and you don't mess up the contract.
And even though I was misled, I didn't know that it was a . . . because it's a very touchy situation.
It was such a touchy situation, because did Smith do this intentionally? Was he intentionally trying to do harm to the facility?
Obviously, he was escorted to places that he didn't have clearances [for] through someone that had a higher clearance, which is allowed at certain times, but not at this time. This was not . . .
I guess this did not correlate with whoever is REALLY running this. He did not probably report . . . Maybe he DID have to report to someone. He just never told me.
I didn't see it this way. This was definitely civilian compartmentalized with military leaders that were in there.
Did I do something wrong? All I know is I did something wrong. I figured, “Well, obviously, I'm here in a really bad situation right now. I'm going to be killed probably, and that's it.” So I was accepting that.
I mean, I was broken down enough until they took the blindfolds off, and I just remember looking up at them. And they just said never to repeat this again, “and if you say anything or do anything, you know what happens.”
And I just knew at that point, “Well, I'm not going to die.” Why would he be talking to me? Why would he [be] looking up at me as I'm looking up, you know, [and] say this to me and giving me, obviously, another chance?
So I was sent home. They said, “We will contact you. Do not come to work tomorrow.”
And I did not want to go home because that must mean I won't be coming back, is what I thought. But then I thought, well . . .
David: How did you get home if you're in an unfamiliar part of the base?
Emery: Oh, no. They escorted me out. They already . . . I was already back to my area. That's what all that driving and going up and down . . .
They did take a DNA sample from me, a cheek swab. And they took blood from me, which is normal when things go weird.
I've heard this before that they do this to anyone that's caught in other areas.
And I was restricted from ever trying to contact him or his family ever again “for the duration of my life on Earth”, quote unquote.
David: Wow! So then you went home the normal way that you would have from your work.
Emery: Yes. Yes, with no delay. Nothing.
I literally was so freaked out. I really thought I lost everything. I thought I lost my career and my job with them.
I've heard so many horrific stories of this happening to other people and thought it would NEVER happen to me because I played by the rules. And this rule they didn't like. They didn't like what had happened.
And the last thing they were saying was just to go home: “We'll contact you.” So I thought I was out of a job. I thought I'd lost all my clearances. I thought everything was just going to go down the tubes for me.
I thought even my career with the military . . . I thought this would affect it somehow.
And that's when I did go home. And I still went to work the next day for my military job.
And then a day . . .
David: The “cover job”.
Emery: The cover job. And then a day after, I got curious and went on my mountain bike and wanted to do a little investigation of my own to go around the mountain up there by this place where we talked about how the commander had alluded to some amazing things going on up there.
If everyone looks on Google on Kirtland Air Force Base, or if you're flying over to land at ABQ [Albuquerque International Sunport], you know, everyone knows about the mountains hollowed out there.
And there are these giant doors in the mountain where they used to keep all the nuclear warheads back in the early days. And now they're used for storing other things.
And he did mention this – the commander – to me during one of our excursions. And I knew that there was something going on up there, but I didn't really have the clearance to be in or near that facility.
However, since I'm active duty member, there is a bike trail that goes all the way around that facility.
There are also four or five fences, guard dogs and MPs [military policemen] at all the entrances going into the AREA of the mountains. And those service roads are what I use to mountain bike a couple times a week.
But I was young and curious. And I thought maybe if I go up there, I might be able to catch a glimpse of something and see what's going on, coming in and out.
Also, using special goggles and stuff, you can see different energy fluctuations that I was issued at that time.
Anyway, so I went around. And I was mountain biking around this facility and probably looking at the facility more than looking at my bike trail, I presume.
And three-quarters of the way around, I became deathly ill. I felt like I was getting nuked from the inside out. And I still had another eight miles to go back to my barracks. And I did make it back.
And when I made it back, I curled up into a ball and I prayed to God to just kill me because it was the most excruciating pain I've ever had.
David: So what do you think happened to you based on what you know now?
Emery: I think that was a scalar weapon. It felt like your entire insides are on fire and you cannot do anything to make the pain go away.
You go into the fetus position, and it feels like someone is just getting your insides and just twisting them up and lighting them on fire. And it was just so horrific that I went unconscious and possibly could have maybe died at that point. I don't know.
David: So just so we're clear, do you think there's some sort of emitter, like a beam weapon, that they pointed at you while you were riding your bike?
Emery: Sure. Later on, I found out they do have scalar technology that's all pinpointed. They could do it right through the Earth here and hit someone in China – just that person – and neutralize them.
Spontaneous human combustion – no! It's not that. It's these types of weapons that they use.
So these things do happen.
David: So did you wipe out on your bicycle when they hit you with this?
Emery: No. I just slowly started getting worse, worse, worse and worse and worse and worse as I'm coming down the mountain.
Emery: And I made it. I should have just went to the hospital or something, but I kind of knew where I was and . . . I've heard of these stories. They were just myths amongst the people that worked there, but I didn't really know know. Now, I know.
David: Now, you told me before that as a result of getting zapped with this that you had a post-traumatic stress disorder that developed.
David: Could you explain a little bit about what that is? What happened?
Emery: Well, any time I get any type of weird feeling from energies or something, it could trigger me – certain situations in life that might trigger me. You just go into an anxiety panic mode.
You know, you might not remember what had happened the last hour or so. You can even blackout sometimes.
I've actually just shut down and woke up in the bed going, “Wow! That was pretty intense.”
David: So you're lying in bed now. You've had head wounds recently. You said you had a hematoma. You had a concussion. Now you've had this outrageous directed energy weapon attack.
At this point, did you know if you were ever going to be able to work again? Or what was going through your mind?
Emery: It wasn't until the day after when I woke up from being unconscious just in my barracks from this beam weapon that I had a message. And it was to report to duty at this time. And I did.
Once again, I did meet with three people, but these were not those guys in the suits. These were the people I always work with.
And they just said, “Don't let that happen again”. And I said, “I won't”. And that was it.
Emery: I got my job back.
David: How did this event change you in terms of how . . . because you said you were very enthusiastic about your job. You felt like you were in an amusement park almost – an alien amusement park. How did this change that?
Emery: There was some sort of continuity breakdown, I thought. And I just didn't believe in them anymore. I didn't believe in the structure. Like, who the heck is behind this? Who is pulling the cords? Who is giving . . . You know, who is REALLY running this show down here? Who were those guys in the black suits?
I started getting mad, like going mad. I was trying to figure it out for myself and now I can't even talk to anybody about it. I can't even . . . To my own co-workers, I can't say anything.
David: I know you can't get too specific, but where would this commander be in the U.S. military hierarchy let's say in relationship to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who report to the President of the United States and are the heads of each branch of the military.
Where would he be in that relationship?
Emery: It's all based on clearance. You can be a captain and have the same clearance as a general or a colonel. You can be a sergeant and have the same clearance as a captain or a colonel.
Remember, it's the duties that you perform, and what is needed to get the job done. It's not about the . . . They don't use the military system of rank for these positions, okay?
They use the knowledge base and educational base of the people that are put in place to run these projects.
David: So as far as you knew then, it's not like this commander might be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or some big head wig in the military. But within your classified ecosystem, . . .
David: . . . he was almost as high as it could get from your information.
Emery: He was the highest.
David: He was the highest?
Emery: The highest that I knew in my area. And I didn't think there WAS anyone higher that had more clearances to go anywhere in that base.
Emery: So . . .
David: And he never gave you the impression that there was anybody like that?
David: Wow! Well, this is quite a story – tragic, but also I think very revealing of the sacrifices that you have had to make to get to where you are today to tell us this information.
How do you feel to finally have this story be shared with the world at this point?
Emery: I just want everyone to know what's really going on. And I want it off my shoulders so other people can come forward and share, and for them to feel . . . because I know they're in pain, too.
It's a hard thing to grasp and to understand unless you've actually been there. And I know there's a lot more Emerys out there like myself, and they just need a little maybe help from an interview like this to get them to come out and join us to let the people know they have the right to know about all these amazing things that are going on down there that can help humanity.
And at the same time, where is all that money going for taxes that we pay and things like this?
There's a lot of corruption. Even though these things sound cool to some people, like sci-fi movies, it's not. It should be something that is frowned upon. And the goodness should come out of it, not the bad parts.
David: Well, I want to thank you for stepping forward, and I hope that we do get more of those insiders.
And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with our guest, Emery Smith.